ChezGiven 0 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I always find meeting and talking to supporters much more insightful than reading about them on the internet. This is a very politician's way of saying you're working for his campaign. Has he grabbed you by the pussy yet? Indirectly i am. And yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Chez you're so important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 I always find meeting and talking to supporters much more insightful than reading about them on the internet. Supporters who got their information off the internet I just wasn't sure how relevant Trump supporters were to the discussion about presidential power and how effectively Obama, his predecessor or whoever replaces him is able to exert it. I'm glad you're excited about your trip though. One of the popular nufc accounts was tweeting from a Trump rally yesterday (@ToonArmyMIA ). Was interesting to see how few people turned up. Will be interested to hear your findings on the psyche of a Trumpian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Because you asked me a direct question about whether i supported Trump. I was addressing all of the questions as i assume you are able to hold them in your head rather than needing formatted signposts. I don't support Trump was an answer to that question and i was explaining that despite having a great insight into how the rational, educated Trump supporters think, despite a Trump win being better for me personally and despite all the email scandals, i'd still vote for Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Because you asked me a direct question about whether i supported Trump. I was addressing all of the questions as i assume you are able to hold them in your head rather than needing formatted signposts. I don't support Trump was an answer to that question and i was explaining that despite having a great insight into how the rational, educated Trump supporters think, despite a Trump win being better for me personally and despite all the email scandals, i'd still vote for Clinton. How would a Trump win be better for you personally, out of interest? That sounds like a rare point of policy in what has become a shambles of an election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34595 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Bring his hair style back into fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 Because you asked me a direct question about whether i supported Trump. I was addressing all of the questions as i assume you are able to hold them in your head rather than needing formatted signposts. I don't support Trump was an answer to that question and i was explaining that despite having a great insight into how the rational, educated Trump supporters think, despite a Trump win being better for me personally and despite all the email scandals, i'd still vote for Clinton. I would never have thought to ask if you supported Trump. I assumed no-one on here would actually prefer him to Clinton. I asked if a victory for Trump would concern you "given the limits on presidential power that have so stifled Obama". Because you seemed to be agreeing with Parky that Obama's hands were tied on most important issues anyway. I couldn't give a shit what Randy the Racist thinks of that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Bring his hair style back into fashion. I'm a comb-over advocate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I would never have thought to ask if you supported Trump. I assumed no-one on here would actually prefer him to Clinton. I asked if a victory for Trump would concern you "given the limits on presidential power that have so stifled Obama". Because you seemed to be agreeing with Parky that Obama's hands were tied on most important issues anyway. I couldn't give a shit what Randy the Racist thinks of that question. So are you as unconcerned about a Trump victory as Parky, Chez, given the limits on presidential power that have so stifled Obama? Is the question you asked and the one i answered. I ignored the caveat as i dont think the caveat is relevant to the first part of the question. The logical implication of your argument is that no president is important as power is stifled which lacks any form of nuanced thinking i thought it was best to move on. Do we really have to waste time doing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) It's worthy to note that most presidents don't know what is actually going on and the bits they do find once in office turns their hair white. Edited November 3, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChezGiven 0 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 All true but Obama was a democrat being dragged to the right by the Republicans who are funded by the neoconservative nutters like the Foch brothers. The influences of the CIA, the military and the corporations that support them act as an anchor to the Democrats from moving too far to the left. A Republican president doesnt have the same forces anchoring him from moving right. I think that sums it up for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 All true but Obama was a democrat being dragged to the right by the Republicans who are funded by the neoconservative nutters like the Foch brothers. The influences of the CIA, the military and the corporations that support them act as an anchor to the Democrats from moving too far to the left. A Republican president doesnt have the same forces anchoring him from moving right. I think that sums it up for me. There is no right and left. That sums it up for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 There is no right and left. That sums it up for me. Not quite there yet on the right/left bit, but I think the battle of our time is between the establishment and everyone else. Broadly agree with the sentiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 So are you as unconcerned about a Trump victory as Parky, Chez, given the limits on presidential power that have so stifled Obama? Is the question you asked and the one i answered. I ignored the caveat as i dont think the caveat is relevant to the first part of the question. The logical implication of your argument is that no president is important as power is stifled which lacks any form of nuanced thinking i thought it was best to move on. Do we really have to waste time doing this? Whey the discussion I was having with Parky was all about his view that the caveat meant Trump would be a perfectly fine choice. I was taking the opposing view to the one you agree lacks nuanced thinking. i was saying Obama has had plenty of power and Trump would too. That's why I found it odd you jumped in and started arguing the reasons why Obama could do nothing in his time, even when he had majorities across both houses. Hence the question being written in the format it was. I agree, you have wasted our time though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 It was your straw man not mine ffs You then even got distracted by my reasons for being concerned with Trump. And you have the nerve to blame me for wasting time. He did not have majorities across both houses. He had the house with him for 2 of 6 years. Only Reagan, Clinton, Nixon and Eisenhower have had similar. Trump will also be kept in line through the checks and balances but lets face it, something needs to be done about ISIS and something needs to be done to increase security. I dont expect Clinton to back away from that but i trust her judgement better than spanner face's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 He had majorities in both houses for his first 2 years http://wiredpen.com/resources/political-commentary-and-analysis/a-visual-guide-balance-of-power-congress-presidency/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 He only had majorities in both houses for his first 2 years http://wiredpen.com/resources/political-commentary-and-analysis/a-visual-guide-balance-of-power-congress-presidency/ FYP. I know then as he advanced his agenda he lost that for the next 6 of his 8 years in power. Its the problem with mid terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 Love the hard as nails rhetoric followed by the personal niceties. Comes across pyooa psycho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26441 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Campaign in wanting to beat opponent scandal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 You don't have to belittle every post I put in here I'm not claiming any earth shattering expose has been performed. It's just a funny one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26441 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I know what you meant, my comment was more directed at the general beigeness of the overall leak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17822 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Beige is a fairly good description for this nonsense. HF, can you remind me again why you think that every political campaign needs complete transparency but private citizens should have complete protection? I'm really struggling to understand how you justify the publication for these emails whilst having a different standard for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 Beige is a fairly good description for this nonsense. HF, can you remind me again why you think that every political campaign needs complete transparency but private citizens should have complete protection? I'm really struggling to understand how you justify the publication for these emails whilst having a different standard for yourself. Can you show me where I said either of those things? I don't think all political campaigns need complete transparency, I think where they have been discovered to be doing wrong then exposing that is in the public interest. I don't believe private citizens should have complete protection. I am not suspected of any wrong doing or to be in possession of any information that would expose wrong doing, so I AM entitled to a different standard as is any private citizen not doing any wrong against the law or the public interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 4, 2016 Author Share Posted November 4, 2016 Zizek Comes out for trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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