Rayvin 4964 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 More gibberish from the ex marketing manager and advertising executive. Trump will be far more neoliberal than Clinton and the market agrees. As predicted I got a lot wealthier over the last 8 hours. Yeah Clinton was going to be just another neoliberal. Bollocks. I think you're rather missing the point here. Trump isn't the answer, he's a symptom. We don't have an answer. Also, is Naomi Klein the ex-marketing manager, or am I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14046 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Well hopefully that's this thread just about dusted. I think the next election due is the Albanian general election in may next year. Can't wait to read everyone's thoughts on that one. I've already put money on Le Pen to win in France if anyone fancies a natter about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I've already put money on Le Pen to win in France if anyone fancies a natter about that. Yep, looking likely. Unless this serves as a warning to the centre left in France. I'm sure they must be taking this seriously now, Brexit and Trump should be all the signal any other liberal Western democracy needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 What do you mean? You think they're credible? I've seen them distort reality on a number of issues, I find their narratives uncomfortable... Mmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 FFS Parky, say what you mean. I'm open to being wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26329 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 You've certainly got enough experience at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Dunno like, it's been a while since I lost a bet involving the eating of someone's arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26329 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Dunno like, it's been a while since I lost a bet involving the eating of someone's arse. I lost on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 We know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I think you're rather missing the point here. Trump isn't the answer, he's a symptom. We don't have an answer. Also, is Naomi Klein the ex-marketing manager, or am I? Sure he's a symptom but the fact that he is far more pro business than Clinton is being borne out right now on Wall St. According to Klein etc this isn't about stupid voters it's about a rejection of neoliberalism. The fact that voters put in place a more neoliberal President means her argument is false as people were too stupid to realize that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Sure he's a symptom but the fact that he is far more pro business than Clinton is being borne out right now on Wall St. According to Klein etc this isn't about stupid voters it's about a rejection of neoliberalism. The fact that voters put in place a more neoliberal President means her argument is false as people were too stupid to realize that. I don't think the vast majority of voters know what Neoliberalism is. Monbiot explains what we've just seen as follows. I happen to agree with this in the absence of a superior explanation: Perhaps the most dangerous impact of neoliberalism is not the economic crises it has caused, but the political crisis. As the domain of the state is reduced, our ability to change the course of our lives through voting also contracts. Instead, neoliberal theory asserts, people can exercise choice through spending. But some have more to spend than others: in the great consumer or shareholder democracy, votes are not equally distributed. The result is a disempowerment of the poor and middle. As parties of the right and former left adopt similar neoliberal policies, disempowerment turns to disenfranchisement. Large numbers of people have been shed from politics. Chris Hedges remarks that “fascist movements build their base not from the politically active but the politically inactive, the ‘losers’ who feel, often correctly, they have no voice or role to play in the political establishment”. When political debate no longer speaks to us, people become responsive instead to slogans, symbols and sensation. To the admirers of Trump, for example, facts and arguments appear irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3978 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Sure he's a symptom but the fact that he is far more pro business than Clinton is being borne out right now on Wall St. According to Klein etc this isn't about stupid voters it's about a rejection of neoliberalism. The fact that voters put in place a more neoliberal President means her argument is false as people were too stupid to realize that.Much like people thinking Farage and Johnson are "men of the people" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2411 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I thought the point was that Chez got richer. He's management material. Well done, Chez. We're all proud of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2411 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Chez for mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) He could be the voice of the disaffected posters. He could make the forum great again! Edited November 9, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2411 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 This is really picking up steam. Perhaps we should start a thread about potential forum changes should Chez be elected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14046 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/ That's excellent, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbsweeney 0 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) I don't think the vast majority of voters know what Neoliberalism is. Monbiot explains what we've just seen as follows. I happen to agree with this in the absence of a superior explanation: Perhaps the most dangerous impact of neoliberalism is not the economic crises it has caused, but the political crisis. As the domain of the state is reduced, our ability to change the course of our lives through voting also contracts. Instead, neoliberal theory asserts, people can exercise choice through spending. But some have more to spend than others: in the great consumer or shareholder democracy, votes are not equally distributed. The result is a disempowerment of the poor and middle. As parties of the right and former left adopt similar neoliberal policies, disempowerment turns to disenfranchisement. Large numbers of people have been shed from politics. Chris Hedges remarks that “fascist movements build their base not from the politically active but the politically inactive, the ‘losers’ who feel, often correctly, they have no voice or role to play in the political establishment”. When political debate no longer speaks to us, people become responsive instead to slogans, symbols and sensation. To the admirers of Trump, for example, facts and arguments appear irrelevant. Where's that from? I'd love to read more. Thank you Edited November 9, 2016 by dbsweeney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Front page of USA today was quotes of people saying 'I was for Hilary 10 days ago and then the emails' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot For the third time now. Could you at least read it and tell me why you don't agree That's the article the quote comes from. Was written back in April but certainly rings true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19822 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) i've been covering the web summit in lisbon today so didn't have much time to follow the aftermath on social media or on here, but i've still been absorbed by it as all our stories had to be dropped or repurposed. owen jones was almost inconsolable on stage. it was one of those days i wish i'd been in the newsroom for once tbh - always the best place to be when a momentous news story unfolds. and then i witnessed this [tweet] [/tweet] Edited November 9, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 0 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/ Good read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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