Renton 18564 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Cost to actually build and open facilities approx £5-6 Billion, cost of PFI contracts £30 billion. http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14432710.__30_billion__The_cost_of_Labour_s_toxic_PFI_legacy_to_Scotland/ Spread over 4 decades with maintenance contracts included? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4992 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 The BBC has now rolled out Corbyn's ex-wife ffs She's voting Smith apparently. I mean, how desperate do you have to get to bring out his ex wife? In more measured and relevant news, it sounds as though his win isn't going to be as decisive as last time. Which surprises me to a degree because Smith is perhaps the only person in politics that Corbyn is more charismatic than. But I suppose this has nothing to do with the candidates and everything to do with the principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36827 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Looking forward to the coronation of King Jeremy on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 15144 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Some of the schools I have worked on the contractors do anything to make money. Went on a site a couple of years back and noticed a load of rebar missing from a foundation and mentioned it. Tried blaming it on us, showed him the drawings dumb look on the face. Most of the founds had been cast too. Well there you go, checks and balances. You're the engineer, you pulled the builder. That's what's supposed to happen regardless of how the fuckin thing is being paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36827 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Fuck Corbyn's ex-wife. Once he went black, there was no going back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31490 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 (edited) Looking forward to the coronation of King Jeremy on Saturday. Yeah, it'll be Pimm's o'clock Edited September 21, 2016 by Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4992 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 It'll hopefully get us back on politics at least, rather than whatever the fuck it is that Labour think they've been doing this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 Err....didn't the "people" vote narrowly for a referendum on the EU?..,then places like Sundrrland voted to leave because absolutely everything is fucking shit after nearly a decade of the aforementioned austerity?...or have I got that wrong?.. Of course you did. The people voted to take back our country and let the conservatives get on with running it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4992 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 ... Sometimes I read CT's posts and just think that there's no point in democracy, we're all just fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 Despite Labour doing absolutely shite in the polls UKIP are doing slightly worse than they did at the last general election. So the notion they're going to do fasntastically well at the next election is baseless Not at all, their result at the last election was damaged because Cameron offered the referendum. They are now getting very organised and will utilise the vote leave base in a similar way that the SNP built on the vote yes voters in Scotland. Your average white van man in Sunderland will be voting UKIP. Added to this your traditional Labour heavy unionised industry workers from the mining / ship yard eras are dying out and being replaced by the self employed, Facebook dwelling working class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31490 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Of course you did. The people voted to take back our country and let the conservatives get on with running it. By voting against the wishes of the Tory government and the vast majority of its MPs. Yes, that makes perfect sense. If you're going to just try and play the WUM you're going to have to think things through better if you don't just want to be laughed at. However, if the latter is your aim, well played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31490 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Not at all, their result at the last election was damaged because Cameron offered the referendum. They are now getting very organised and will utilise the vote leave base in a similar way that the SNP built on the vote yes voters in Scotland. Your average white van man in Sunderland will be voting UKIP. Added to this your traditional Labour heavy unionised industry workers from the mining / ship yard eras are dying out and being replaced by the self employed, Facebook dwelling working class. The polls suggest otherwise. I realise you've gone down the Michael Gove route when it comes to inconvenient facts though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 By voting against the wishes of the Tory government and the vast majority of its MPs. Yes, that makes perfect sense. If you're going to just try and play the WUM you're going to have to think things through better if you don't just want to be laughed at. However, if the latter is your aim, well played. Referendums are a coming together of voters from various parties, running the country is a separate thing altogether. No party has offered hanging but for decades the public would have voted for it in a referendum. Perfect sense indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 The polls suggest otherwise. I realise you've gone down the Michael Gove route when it comes to inconvenient facts though. The polls never predicted an SNP landslide in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31490 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 The people voted to take back our country and let the conservatives get on with running it. Referendums are a coming together of voters from various parties, running the country is a separate thing altogether. :lol: Shameless. Shame you're shit at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 :lol: Shameless. Shame you're shit at it Not sure how you struggle to grasp the hanging point. People from all parties join together in a referendum. General elections are a different thing altogether. We've just had perfect examples of this point within the last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31490 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Not sure how you struggle to grasp the hanging point. People from all parties join together in a referendum. General elections are a different thing altogether. We've just had perfect examples of this point within the last year. The point is you've contradicted yourself in the space of half a page. You're either stupid or being deliberately obtuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 The point is you've contradicted yourself in the space of half a page. You're either stupid or being deliberately obtuse. Fairly sensible to me. I think you are looking for an angle that's not there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14249 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Fairly sensible to me. This proves nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 This proves nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4992 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13055 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Glad I popped back in here for a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31490 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18564 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Fairly sure UKip is and will always be too toxic a brand to get many MPs FPTP. Plus their name even makes no sense now. When you were comparing them with the SNP post referendum CT, did you forget the SNP didn't achieve their aim? There will be a large void in politics once Corbyn wins and the labour party ceases to exist as an opposition party. It won't be a UKip shaped hole though. It will be centrist left with scope from most Labour voters (not members), the SNP, liberal democrats, and even a fair few disgruntled wet conservatives to vote for it. Imo the majority of the electorate who usually actually bother to vote haven't really got a party to vote for at the moment. It'll be interesting to see if this group can be represented at some point. UKip is fucked though imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31490 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Reckon UKIP will probably still have just the 1 MP after the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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