Happy Face 29 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 So, to interrupt the conversation the champagne socialists were having about their rental properties and pension funds for a moment, was this a serious post? Are you abdicating individual responsibility for the environment? Do you honestly believe that any government could get voted in on a manifesto that stopped air travel for the masses? Not going to happen is it, which is very convenient. Of course I'm abdicating personal responsibility. It's not my responsibility. How can i save the planet by holidaying in the UK and cycling to work when you're building an extra runway to accommodate the number of flights you want to take? Governments can do whatever they want at a time of crisis. Ration food and petrol, blackout the evenings, increase dependency on local agriculture, reduce imports and exports.. Just because people are selfish idiots unable to make the sacrifices previous generations would, it doesn't alter the facts of what's needed. Obviously we won't dismantle the entire growth based economy as we should, but we shouldn't ignore the many examples of the economy being prioritised over the environment by industry and government, at our long term cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19828 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Eh? The whole point of it is to release capacity, of course it's not going to exacerbate the problem. Honestly Gloomy, you aren't half talking some shite here, do you not think all of this gas not been thought about in massive depth after millions of hours of consultation? how is it shite? do you have regular experience of using heathrow? do you live in london? i'd say i'm pretty well placed to comment. these are the cold hard facts: passengers are set to increase from 80m to 130m 950 residential properties are set to be bulldozed flight are set to increase from around 400k annually to close to 800k air quality and noise pollution will be much worse in london than if it had gone to gatwick the estimated cost is £17bn, compared to £5bn for Gatwick I'm struggling to see the case for it and it has plenty of hurdles to overcome yet if it's going to go ahead. and as far as the a third runway easing heathrow's chronic congestion problems, i'll believe it when i see it. i use the airport at least once a month and it's consistently shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26415 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Up until a few years ago I used it twice a week and had no problems with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19828 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 not to mention digging up the M25 ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19828 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Up until a few years ago I used it twice a week and had no problems with it. you must be joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 how is it shite? do you have regular experience of using heathrow? do you live in london? i'd say i'm pretty well placed to comment. these are the cold hard facts: passengers are set to increase from 80m to 130m 950 residential properties are set to be bulldozed flight are set to increase from around 400k annually to close to 800k air quality and noise pollution will be much worse in london than if it had gone to gatwick the estimated cost is £17bn, compared to £5bn for Gatwick I'm struggling to see the case for it and it has plenty of hurdles to overcome yet if it's going to go ahead. and as far as the a third runway easing heathrow's chronic congestion problems, i'll believe it when i see it. i use the airport at least once a month and it's consistently shit. Look, no one is being snooped on who doesn't deserve it, only terrorists get tortured and an extra runway is only being built to give the other 2 a rest. Now stop questioning things and just listen to your government will you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17811 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) how is it shite? do you have regular experience of using heathrow? do you live in london? i'd say i'm pretty well placed to comment. these are the cold hard facts: passengers are set to increase from 80m to 130m 950 residential properties are set to be bulldozed flight are set to increase from around 400k annually to close to 800k air quality and noise pollution will be much worse in london than if it had gone to gatwick the estimated cost is £17bn, compared to £5bn for Gatwick I'm struggling to see the case for it and it has plenty of hurdles to overcome yet if it's going to go ahead. and as far as the a third runway easing heathrow's chronic congestion problems, i'll believe it when i see it. i use the airport at least once a month and it's consistently shit. Have you actually examined the proposals and are you an expert on these matters? I mean, you've seriously advocated linking Gatwick and Heathrow together via a high speed link as a solution, which has been proposed, but after analysis was found to make no sense at all. You're a frequent user of Heathrow, highlighted how strained it is, and are against improving it. Righto. Edited October 25, 2016 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26415 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 you must be joking Not at all. Bar the odd queue at security and rare delay I thought it was fine. What do you not like about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19828 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Look, no one is being snooped on who doesn't deserve it, only terrorists get tortured and an extra runway is only being built to give the other 2 a rest. Now stop questioning things and just listen to your government will you. i actually agree with him on a few things like, but i can't on this. heathrow is a bloated turd of an airport and i don't see an extra runway changing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17811 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 not to mention digging up the M25 ffs Okay, why was this option picked despite its expense compared to other options? Was it because it made economic expense or... Conspiracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19828 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Not at all. Bar the odd queue at security and rare delay I thought it was fine. What do you not like about it? the constant delays is the most grating thing though waiting for baggage is a major pain in the arse, this is something i frequently have to do with work as we carry bulky kit and it's a nightmare in all the terminals, bar T5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19828 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Okay, why was this option picked despite its expense compared to other options? Was it because it made economic expense or... Conspiracy? well it wasn't picked with pollution and the noise and environmental concerns in mind, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17811 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Look, no one is being snooped on who doesn't deserve it, only terrorists get tortured and an extra runway is only being built to give the other 2 a rest. Now stop questioning things and just listen to your government will you. Yeah, but it's alright because we're all going to not vote for a green party therefore it's fine to be a hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19828 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) i'm not denying the economic argument btw but is that really the only consideration? i already felt sorry for people who have to use the M25 before this. Edited October 25, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26415 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 The delays weren't too bad in my experience, certainly not much worse than Gatwick. And I never really had a problem with baggage. Generally a fifteen minute wait but nothing unexpected for an airport of that size. And that was on a Monday and a Friday which I assume would be their busiest days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17811 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) well it wasn't picked with pollution and the noise and environmental concerns in mind, that's for sure. There's no easy solution, but if you believe in the widely accepted hub and spoke model, Heathrow expansion was the only option. It'll still have half the runways of Amsterdam! Edited October 25, 2016 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19828 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Have you actually examined the proposals and are you an expert on these matters? I mean, you've seriously advocated linking Gatwick and Heathrow together via a high speed link as a solution, which has been proposed, but after analysis was found to make no sense at all. You're a frequent user of Heathrow, highlighted how strained it is, and are against improving it. Righto. i'm not convinced this is going to improve the experience of using the airport to be frank. i am convinced that the air quality and noise pollution in london is going to suffer massively though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26415 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 It's okay. The air pollution will no exceed EU standards. Of course we won't be in the EU by that point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19828 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 The delays weren't too bad in my experience, certainly not much worse than Gatwick. And I never really had a problem with baggage. Generally a fifteen minute wait but nothing unexpected for an airport of that size. And that was on a Monday and a Friday which I assume would be their busiest days. you must have gotten lucky. it was voted the wors airport in the world a few years back in global poll of airline passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34533 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Heathrow is like stepping back in time. You see footage of it from the 80s and it hasn't changedna bit. Absolute shit hole of an airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Yeah, but it's alright because we're all going to not vote for a green party therefore it's fine to be a hypocrite. I'm struggling to follow your line of thought to me being a hypocrite. I want the government to provide a police force that enforces laws for the common good. I don't go vigilante and start making citizens arrests in some ill-founded notion that I have to practice what I preach and have to contribute if I'm going to advocate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26415 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 you must have gotten lucky. it was voted the wors airport in the world a few years back in global poll of airline passengers. And yet in 2016 was voted the eight best airport in the world. The Skytrax World Airport Awards are the most prestigious accolades for the airport industry voted by customers in the largest, annual global airport customer satisfaction survey. The Awards are based on 13.25 million airport survey questionnaires completed by 106 different nationalities of airline customers during the survey period. The survey operated from June 2015 to February 2016, covering 550 airports worldwide and evaluating traveller experiences across different airport service and product key performance indicators - from check-in, arrivals, transfers, shopping, security and immigration through to departure at the gate. The World Airport Awards are a global benchmark of airport excellence, and widely known as the Passengers Choice Awards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19828 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Someone's been merked there like, what a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 I'm struggling to follow your line of thought to me being a hypocrite. I want the government to provide a police force that enforces laws for the common good. I don't go vigilante and start making citizens arrests in some ill-founded notion that I have to practice what I preach and have to contribute if I'm going to advocate. Renton seems bizarrely determined that people who disagree with him are hypocrites rather than just wrong. I think it's because he has some self loathing issues about going over to the dark side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19828 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Heathrow is like stepping back in time. You see footage of it from the 80s and it hasn't changedna bit. Absolute shit hole of an airport. T5 is alright when it works. Still get those ludicrous holding pattern delays more often than not. But yeah, some of the others are grim. Terminal 2 had a facelift recently and isn't that bad anymore. I wouldn't mind all that though if it worked as an airport should, which it doesn't in my experience. Gatwick is a less traumatic airport to navigate but is full of Saaath London chavs so it's swings and roundabouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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