Dr Gloom 19879 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Bayliss quoted today saying he's "very tempted" to give Rashid his home debut at the oval Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30537 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Ah right, that makes sense. The Oval always used to take spin anyway, but that might have been cos they always used to play the final test of each home series there, so it was always late summer. I remember Tufnell taking a hatful there against Australia in 97, the same series where Hussain scored a double hundred in the first test. That was a brilliant series, even though England got howked in the middle 3 tests - the standard of cricket was higher then I reckon. Aye, he bowled the Windies out at the Oval a few years before that too (when they were class as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 0 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Yes he had a few match winning performances through the 90s didn't he. He was a quality bowler on his day. I read his autobiography on holiday about 15 years ago and thought he came across as a sound enough bloke but whenever I've seen him on telly more recently he comes across as a bit of a wanker. He's good on TMS though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 0 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Winning any test match against that Aussie team was an achievement. The 97 vintage was immense. I credit Hussain and Fletcher for laying the foundations for the 2005 ashes win. He was an ugly batsman but a good captain and made us competitive again. Yes those two definitely tried to change the culture at the time. The 90s - early 2000s Aussie teams must be up there with the best sports teams of all time, 2001 Ashes team was better than 97 I reckon due to Gilchrist, Hayden, more mature Gillespie. Their rugby league team of the same era was also incredible as it happens, but being an international RL team they'll never be revered as a truly great international sports team cos the competition from other countries is so limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 0 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Bayliss quoted today saying he's "very tempted" to give Rashid his home debut at the oval Nice, let's hope they take the chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30537 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Yes he had a few match winning performances through the 90s didn't he. He was a quality bowler on his day. I read his autobiography on holiday about 15 years ago and thought he came across as a sound enough bloke but whenever I've seen him on telly more recently he comes across as a bit of a wanker. He's good on TMS though. I think he comes across as trying to hard on the telly but seems more laid-back and natural on the radio. Like his Radio 5 show with Michale Vaughan as well. He probably should've played more for England but didn't exactly fit in with the 'cricketing establishment' or, even more so, with Gooch's efforts to raise the fitness levels of the team. Speaking of which, that series against the West Indies I mentioned (early 90s) was class. Gooch's match-winning century in the Headingley test was unbelievable. Without checking, I think he got about 150 out of a team score of 270-ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) Yes those two definitely tried to change the culture at the time. The 90s - early 2000s Aussie teams must be up there with the best sports teams of all time, 2001 Ashes team was better than 97 I reckon due to Gilchrist, Hayden, more mature Gillespie. Their rugby league team of the same era was also incredible as it happens, but being an international RL team they'll never be revered as a truly great international sports team cos the competition from other countries is so limited. yes, i think you're right. hayden was an absolute beast. a bully of an opener who would just plant his front foot and knock the stuffing out of most strike bowlers. and gilschrist rewrote the rule book for wicket keepers. every test side looks for a wicket keeper that can counter punch lower down the order now. you don't see so many specialist keepers anymore if their batting leaves a bit to be desired. it made 2005 all the more satisfying - that we showed they weren't invincible - despite still having two of the best bowlers of all time, and one of the best batsmen of all time in the side (ponting). Edited August 9, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Durham looking very good for finals day here. Wood bang on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5967 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Nearly chucked it. Not sure I've ever seen a bowler with an average of 44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Aye Collingwood made a right arse of that over. Fortunately Borthwick pulled him out of the shit with the last three balls of it then Arshad and Wood bowled two excellent overs. Wood looks very sharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 looks like rashid will have to wait - cook says it'll be the same 11 at the oval, to no one's surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 0 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Aye it's a shame I think. It means they're going into a tour of the subcontinent without a full time spinner having played a single test this year. I know people are often reluctant to change a winning team and they probably want to give Vince a chance to get a score to his name, but to me it feels like a missed opportunity on a wicket that everybody expects to take spin. Arguably on current form swapping Rashid for Vince wouldn't even be weakening the batting too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 agreed. it sounded like bayliss fancied it, but cautious cook probably had the final say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Hales still struggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30537 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Need an innings from Vince here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 The decision to bat isn't looking great at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Need Vince and Ballance to pull out something now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 not the best start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Pretty fucking awful really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 0 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Well they've made a right pig's ear of this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 vince has got to go like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 though apparently he got a good ball. boycott saying this is a 600 pitch though. oooops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Would have been 6 down but for no balls. Be interesting to see what happens when we bowl. If Boycott is right then it could just about be all over already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 luckily two of our form batsmen are still at the crease. lots of questions remain going into the winter tour: who replaces vince? do you continue with moeen as a frontline spinner or does rashid start? can hales make it as an opener? has ballance done to deserve another go when other batsmen are making good cases in county cricket? do you stick with finn or bomb him for wood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 decent recovery. get through the evening session for the loss of a wicket or two and we're right back in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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