Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/greece-debt-crisis-deal-belgium-prime-minister-tweets-agreement-after-mammoth-allnight-summit-10384295.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 There should be a global tax aimed at multi-nationals (wherever they are based) and this money should be collected and redistributed to struggling countries and regions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14145 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/07/yanis-varoufakis-full-transcript-our-battle-save-greece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 35646 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Good read, that. It's an unbelievably depressing story though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4972 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 This looks pretty much over now. I work with a Greek guy (who now holds most of his parents' assets and cash, and is trying to secure British citizenship as quickly as possible) and he puts the blame squarely at the feet of the Greek governments through the past couple of decades. He says he's struggling to blame the EU because Greece has played this so poorly. They have played it poorly to be honest; that referendum backfired spectacularly. That said, it was strange when I was arguing with him that the Greek people, his people, didn't deserve this. And he was arguing that after years of government funded excess, that actually yes, they did. He's been living in Britain too long I reckon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) This looks pretty much over now. I work with a Greek guy (who now holds most of his parents' assets and cash, and is trying to secure British citizenship as quickly as possible) and he puts the blame squarely at the feet of the Greek governments through the past couple of decades. He says he's struggling to blame the EU because Greece has played this so poorly. They have played it poorly to be honest; that referendum backfired spectacularly. That said, it was strange when I was arguing with him that the Greek people, his people, didn't deserve this. And he was arguing that after years of government funded excess, that actually yes, they did. He's been living in Britain too long I reckon... There is some blame to former Greek Govt...But the vast maj of the blame lies with the EU and especially Germany. There are fundamental problems with Capitalism which has impacted on Greece....Long story... This will be the third time the Germans have managed to destroy Europe. People must understand Germans aren't fit human beings to have any kind of power. Edited July 13, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 Greece have one of the most militant and active working class in the whole of Europe, I guess this is a kind of trial run for stuff coming down the pipe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4972 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 How depressing... sounds about right though. I guess the scramble to the top of the pile will continue but with added desperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Parky - are you REALLY saying that Greece is in this mess due to the EU? if so why isn't everyone in the same boat?? -the Irish , the balts, the Spanish etc have done what was necessary - the Greeks seem to think the world owes them a living - and it doesn't Edited July 14, 2015 by Rob W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9269 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Parky - are you REALLY saying that Greece is in this mess due to the EU? if so why isn't everyone in the same boat?? -the Irish , the balts, the Spanish etc have done what was necessary - the Greeks seem to think the world owes them a living - and it doesn't Aye but which of those have to spend 50% of their weekly income on replacing crockery? huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 35646 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I think the point is that nothing that the EU are making them do is designed to get them OUT of their predicament. They are being made to borrow in order to make payments on previous loans. Everyone has basically admitted that their debt is unsustainable yet no one is talking about debt relief, just more borrowing. And yes, the austerity that they've been required to implement has plunged their economy into depression. They're being used as an experiment with a guaranteed negative outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 Parky - are you REALLY saying that Greece is in this mess due to the EU? if so why isn't everyone in the same boat?? -the Irish , the balts, the Spanish etc have done what was necessary - the Greeks seem to think the world owes them a living - and it doesn't Last time I looked Spain debt was 889 billion euros and Italy is running double/triple that (that's the official figures). I reckon both are double that. The euro has driven barely functioning economies into the dust. The original much vaunted idea was that Northern surpluses were going to be used to grow Southern economies. We know now that was just bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/jul/15/greek-crisis-mps-bailout-imf-debt-relief-alexis-tsipras-live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 These are the opening salvos for the battle for the future. It is a song we hum but have forgotten the words or from whence it came... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9269 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Do you hear the people sing, singing the songs of angry men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 These are the opening salvos for the battle for the future. It is a song we hum but have forgotten the words or from whence it came...Carl Jung would have made a great political negotiator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jul/16/merkel-gambling-away-germanys-reputation-over-greece-says-habermas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 35646 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Schauble has a genuinely evil look about him. If he'd been born in the early part of the 20th century, who know what he would have been up to by the 30s and 40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 Schauble has a genuinely evil look about him. If he'd been born in the early part of the 20th century, who know what he would have been up to by the 30s and 40s. Survived an assassination attempt in 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 35646 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Aye it was only fairly recently I realised he was in a wheelchair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 A dismal end for him. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greek-prime-minister-alexis-tsipras-to-resign-today-10464125.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 35646 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Aye mission accomplished for Germany and the ECB. I hope the Greeks vote them back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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