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They are simultaneously too ineffective to stop Trump when he succeeds and too powerful to overcome whenever he fails to deliver. Just like "antifa", which are both a terrifying scourge that law enfor

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Parler is being forcibly shut down by big tech - Amazon won't host it, 25 other companies have turned it down and their own lawyers have dropped them.

 

The establishment is really trying to destroy the populists here. I'm not convinced this is the way to it but it is at least some form of action and on that basis I think I'm on board.

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Yeah this is the thing - yes this probably is censorship and yes that should ring some alarm bells, but frankly, these people are believing absolute horseshit day in and day out, and I'm personally at a loss as to what the other options are.

 

"Sunlight is the best disinfectant" does not hold true if big chunks of the population are actively keeping themselves in the dark anyway. I would have argued against this once upon a time, but at this point I think the consequences of letting them run unchallenged are just too great.

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It's not censorship, it's private companies holding people to the terms of service, right? It's not denying free speech, it's simply holding people accountable for the heinous shit they say.

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39 minutes ago, The Fish said:

It's not censorship, it's private companies holding people to the terms of service, right? It's not denying free speech, it's simply holding people accountable for the heinous shit they say.

 

Yeah but it's a very co-ordinated strike. It's clearly politically motivated and I say this as someone who is actually on board with it. They could have done this at any point over the years but now there's blood in the water, they've all gone in together.

 

They're attempting to close the right out because they now feel they can get away with it. And frankly, more power to them.

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Free speech stops when fascism starts. If Trump hadn’t incited his followers to try to overturn a free and fair election I doubt we would be seeing this reaction from Big Tech. 

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Tbh, free speech and political partisanship goes out of the window when you start being a racist, gay bashing, trans hating, all lives matter bigot who threatens to murder anyone who disagree with them. 
 

And if they disagree then they are clearly just woke lefty liberal snowflakes 
 

 

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2 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

Free speech stops when fascism starts. If Trump hadn’t incited his followers to try to overturn a free and fair election I doubt we would be seeing this reaction from Big Tech. 

Didn't see this before I posted, but exactly. You need to draw the fucking line somewhere or else we end up with Hitler mk2 doing whatever the fuck he wants unopposed in the name of free speech and political "balance".

Fuck that. Some things just come down to right and wrong 

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 My Rangers mate is furious...he’s trying to find some way in his Apple settings to keep Parler..


He says “the left” never get censored because the internet is run by “lefties”... tbf, he’s got a point there  :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, PaddockLad said:

 My Rangers mate is furious...he’s trying to find some way in his Apple settings to keep Parler..


He says “the left” never get censored because the internet is run by “lefties”... tbf, he’s got a point there  :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reassure him it's all archived and there for the world to see. Fascinating reading, some of it. 

 

The Parler profile of the "kind, loving family man who wouldn't hurt a fly" guy who tasered himself in the testicals and died of a heart attack sorta contradicts his family's statement. 

1 hour ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Tbh, free speech and political partisanship goes out of the window when you start being a racist, gay bashing, trans hating, all lives matter bigot who threatens to murder anyone who disagree with them. 

 

Yeah, freedom of speech doesn't mean immunity from any repercussions for whatever vile shit comes out your mouth. 

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1 hour ago, Blastronaut said:

The Parler profile of the "kind, loving family man who wouldn't hurt a fly" guy who tasered himself in the testicals and died of a heart attack sorta contradicts his family's statement.

 

Still, at least the incident has given us this

 

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This member mentioned how the briefing had underscored the wisdom of Twitter suspending Trump’s account, as well as tens of thousands of accounts associated with the right-wing conspiracy theory QAnon, and said the decision to cut off the social media platform Parler “looked a lot smarter” given the efforts to recruit armed extremists to come to the nation’s capital in the coming days.

 

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-briefed-plot-overthrow-government_n_5ffd29a4c5b691806c4bf199

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17 hours ago, Rayvin said:

 

Yeah but it's a very co-ordinated strike. It's clearly politically motivated and I say this as someone who is actually on board with it. They could have done this at any point over the years but now there's blood in the water, they've all gone in together.

 

They're attempting to close the right out because they now feel they can get away with it. And frankly, more power to them.

I don't think they're closing out the right, they're closing out the far-right. I think this action is that of a responsible service provider. The accounts they've blocked aren't fiscally conservative, championing small business and reduction in goverment overreach, they're using the platform to spread misinformation and incite violent acts against protected groups. 

 

I don't believe that Facebook is a left-leaning provider, Zuckerberg strikes me as true a capitalist as there can be. The idea that they've been waiting for an opportunity to shut down these groups is counter to them prevaricating while dodging earlier opportunities. They had, in Obama, the perfect President to work with in shutting down the far-right, but they've held off until the one thing they care about is challenged; their bottom line. Trump's zealots have forced their hand, they can't allow their brand to be tarnished any further, so they've acted.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, The Fish said:

I don't think they're closing out the right, they're closing out the far-right. I think this action is that of a responsible service provider. The accounts they've blocked aren't fiscally conservative, championing small business and reduction in goverment overreach, they're using the platform to spread misinformation and incite violent acts against protected groups. 

 

I don't believe that Facebook is a left-leaning provider, Zuckerberg strikes me as true a capitalist as there can be. The idea that they've been waiting for an opportunity to shut down these groups is counter to them prevaricating while dodging earlier opportunities. They had, in Obama, the perfect President to work with in shutting down the far-right, but they've held off until the one thing they care about is challenged; their bottom line. Trump's zealots have forced their hand, they can't allow their brand to be tarnished any further, so they've acted.

 

 

 

What makes you think their bottom line has been challenged? No one cares anymore man, no one was gonna desert Twitter because they didn't ban Trump. Or Facebook.

 

Parler wasn't taken down by Amazon before the capitol storming despite having all the same ammo available to them. They needed the excuse.

 

I'm not sure why we're arguing this really anyway - I believe it's necessary and justifiable censorship because someone has to do or say something to stop this misinformed populist bullshit. You think private companies are taking people offline en masse because they're following all their usual processes and the timing is coincidental. Either way, we both agree that it needs to happen.

 

Also either way, the entirety of the online right wing is claiming they are being oppressed and that this is censorship of their views. Even the left has raised eyebrows (likely out of concern that they're next).

 

To repeat, I'm fully on board with it anyway. I'm long past caring about being reasonable in this complete shitshow the right have foisted on us.

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1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

 

What makes you think their bottom line has been challenged? No one cares anymore man, no one was gonna desert Twitter because they didn't ban Trump. Or Facebook.

 

Parler wasn't taken down by Amazon before the capitol storming despite having all the same ammo available to them. They needed the excuse.

 

I'm not sure why we're arguing this really anyway - I believe it's necessary and justifiable censorship because someone has to do or say something to stop this misinformed populist bullshit. You think private companies are taking people offline en masse because they're following all their usual processes and the timing is coincidental. Either way, we both agree that it needs to happen.

 

Also either way, the entirety of the online right wing is claiming they are being oppressed and that this is censorship of their views. Even the left has raised eyebrows (likely out of concern that they're next).

 

To repeat, I'm fully on board with it anyway. I'm long past caring about being reasonable in this complete shitshow the right have foisted on us.

Better for their brand and bottom line to take action now, than wait for possibly tighter restrictions imposed upon them by a Democrat President, House & Senate. Like a pub clamping down on under-age drinking before the rozzers shut it down. I don't, for a second, believe these platforms have suddenly grown a social conscience.

 

Of course the Nazis are whining that they've been silenced, they honestly believe 'Free Speech' is something that it isn't. They believe it's their right to incite violence, or espouse hateful positions with impunity. Those on the left worried about this need to grow a fucking pair. If Anarcists and Marxists start storming the government buildings and subsequently have their facebook profile taken down, good.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Better for their brand and bottom line to take action now, than wait for possibly tighter restrictions imposed upon them by a Democrat President, House & Senate. Like a pub clamping down on under-age drinking before the rozzers shut it down. I don't, for a second, believe these platforms have suddenly grown a social conscience.

 

Of course the Nazis are whining that they've been silenced, they honestly believe 'Free Speech' is something that it isn't. They believe it's their right to incite violence, or espouse hateful positions with impunity. Those on the left worried about this need to grow a fucking pair. If Anarcists and Marxists start storming the government buildings and subsequently have their facebook profile taken down, good.

 

 

 

Well the extremist left and right are two sides of the same coin, so yeah they would be concerned. Although having said that, I've never seen any suggestion that the left has intended to overthrow government.

 

It's worth noting that various world leaders, including respected ones like Angela Merkel, have expressed alarm at silicon valley coming together for the silencing of Trump. I'm only mentioning this to indicate that I'm not out here on a limb when I say that this is censorship. Even the Mexican president has called it out, and I can't imagine he's a big Trump fan.

 

Fwiw, shutting down access to people and closing off dialogue because it's coming from the far right/fascists is 100% still the right thing to do, but 100% still censorship. So I agree with this:

 

19 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

Free speech stops when fascism starts. If Trump hadn’t incited his followers to try to overturn a free and fair election I doubt we would be seeing this reaction from Big Tech. 

 

I guess we can agree that it's a co-ordinated political act, as Gloom implies by grouping them together. And that free speech must stop when fascism starts. So we are all totally in agreement on this, other than the word censorship, bizarrely - which is think is just because of the pejorative connotations. I don't see the harm in calling it what it is - necessary, positive, censorship. The kind that you need to apply to children because they lack the maturity and wisdom to understand what they're saying and doing.

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47 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Well the extremist left and right are two sides of the same coin, so yeah they would be concerned. Although having said that, I've never seen any suggestion that the left has intended to overthrow government.

It's worth noting that various world leaders, including respected ones like Angela Merkel, have expressed alarm at silicon valley coming together for the silencing of Trump. I'm only mentioning this to indicate that I'm not out here on a limb when I say that this is censorship. Even the Mexican president has called it out, and I can't imagine he's a big Trump fan.

Fwiw, shutting down access to people and closing off dialogue because it's coming from the far right/fascists is 100% still the right thing to do, but 100% still censorship. 

I guess we can agree that it's a co-ordinated political act, as Gloom implies by grouping them together. And that free speech must stop when fascism starts. So we are all totally in agreement on this, other than the word censorship, bizarrely - which is think is just because of the pejorative connotations. I don't see the harm in calling it what it is - necessary, positive, censorship. The kind that you need to apply to children because they lack the maturity and wisdom to understand what they're saying and doing.

Worth noting Censorship has been around since WW2 and has been universally accepted. You can't walk around with a swastika on your shirt. You can't join the National Front. You can't call your son Adolf. 
 

More recently we've had Muslim extremists inciting violence over social media that have been censored and prosecuted. 99.99% of the population never had an issue with it 

 

Not sure why this is any different. The shit on Parler and from Trump's account about overthrowing the election etc is no different IMO. Encouraging the police to be violent against black offenders. "When the looting starts the shooting starts". If it was coming out of the mouth of a Muslim preacher there'd be fucking hell on 

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38 minutes ago, The Fish said:

I also think we disagree on why the big tech firms have done it.

 

I could buy the notion that they're enforcing terms of service if it hadn't all just kicked off at once. Twitter have banned 70,000 accounts since the riot, and the President (who they went to court against a couple of years ago to insist that everyone be able to see what he writes) - not before, since. Amazon takes down Parler, Google and Apple remove it from the app store, Facebook goes on similar purges.

 

So for your version to be true, these companies would have to have been failing to enforce their own terms of service through wilful negligence, and when everything went down they realised they were hopelessly overexposed and needed to suddenly act like they gave a damn. Or no one was posting any fascist stuff until the riots kicked off.

 

I could see it if it had just been twitter. All of them in there together, idk. Looks co-ordinated to me.

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