2017 GE 1

[Dr Gloom 24308]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:35, adios said:

I don't think it's balanced.  There are two main points to that statement; it's no shock that the one that's focused on happens to paint him in a worse light.

 

If it was a once off it could just be coincidence but we both know that's not the case.

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it hasn't twisted anything he said though. headlines aren't usually balanced - headlines are designed to grab attention and as such pick out the most newsworthy line. whether you agree with corbyn or not, linking UK foreign policy to the terror attacks is the top line in the piece. 

 

the reporting below the headline seems perfectly balanced to me, no editorialising there

[Dr Gloom 24308]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:37, Christmas Tree said:

 

Dont worry, voters don't like experts

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who are you, michael gove? 

[Rayvin 6482]

Sargon is rattled  Which I'm loving.

 

 

[adios 717]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:41, Dr Gloom said:

 

it hasn't twisted anything he said though. headlines aren't usually balanced - headlines are designed to grab attention and as such pick out the most newsworthy line. whether you agree with corbyn or not, linking UK foreign policy to the terror attacks is the top line in the piece. 

 

the reporting below the headline seems perfectly balanced to me, no editorialising there

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No room in the byline either?  Come on man, they know exactly what they're doing.

 

Unfortunately people are told what to think in those two lines.

[Meenzer 16831]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:42, Rayvin said:

Sargon is rattled

 

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[Rayvin 6482]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:47, Meenzer said:

 

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I know, but Gloom hates him and I want to make nice after being involved in another bout of media bashing 

[NJS 4718]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:34, Christmas Tree said:

What's more of a concern for Labour is that the IFS have come out this morning and said Labours plans to grow the state --- "will not work".

 

I still think people like lots of free stuff and there is a Brexit thing going on. Wether it can last?

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They also say the tory manifesto is full of shit. 

 

They're gambling on the tuition fees thing getting young people to vote which isn't a bad idea - though I'd rather the money was spent reversing cuts. 

[Dr Gloom 24308]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:46, adios said:

No room in the byline either?  Come on man, they know exactly what they're doing.

 

Unfortunately people are told what to think in those two lines.

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[Dr Gloom 24308]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:42, Rayvin said:

Sargon is rattled  Which I'm loving.

 

 

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he makes a reasonable point about the terrorist attacks in sweden. was uk foreign policy to blame there too? 

[adios 717]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:49, Dr Gloom said:

 

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[Rayvin 6482]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:50, Dr Gloom said:

 

 

he makes a reasonable point about the terrorist attacks in sweden. was uk foreign policy to blame there too? 

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It is a good point, agreed. I would suggest that we're all considered 'the same' in the eyes of the Islamists but to be brutally honest, Sargon isn't wrong about his views on this either. That said, when it has suited him in the past, he has blamed our foreign policy also.

[Dr Gloom 24308]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:52, Rayvin said:

 

It is a good point, agreed. I would suggest that we're all considered 'the same' in the eyes of the Islamists but to be brutally honest, Sargon isn't wrong about his views on this either. That said, when it has suited him in the past, he has blamed our foreign policy also.

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right, so it's an ideology that is largely to blame - NOT FUCKING UK FOREIGN POLICY

[Dr Gloom 24308]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:51, adios said:

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that's the standfirst, which is designed to add context to the headline. 

[Meenzer 16831]

SARGON!!!!!! *shakes fist*

[adios 717]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:55, Dr Gloom said:

 

that's the standfirst, which is designed to add context to the headline. 

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Ok thank you.

 

Still don't see any reason it can't mention the context that he hates the cunts too.

[adios 717]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:54, Dr Gloom said:

 

right, so it's an ideology that is largely to blame - NOT FUCKING UK FOREIGN POLICY

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You honestly don't think UK foreign policy has played a significant role in this?

[Alex 37848]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:47, Meenzer said:

 

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[Rayvin 6482]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:58, adios said:

You honestly don't think UK foreign policy has played a significant role in this?

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He honestly doesn't. It's staggering.

[Dr Gloom 24308]

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:58, adios said:

You honestly don't think UK foreign policy has played a significant role in this?

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i've said it before many times on here. the intervention in iraq was misguided and no doubt fanned the flames, helping the terrorists recruit. 

 

but do i blame that for the attack in machester, or the attack in sweden, or germany? no i blame a twisted death cult and the ideology that drives it. 

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[Dr Gloom 24308]

  On 26/05/2017 at 09:00, Rayvin said:

 

He honestly doesn't. It's staggering.

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don't lie, you can dig out our old exchanges. 

[Rayvin 6482]

  On 26/05/2017 at 09:01, Dr Gloom said:

 

don't lie, you can dig out our old exchanges. 

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You literally just said:

 

  On 26/05/2017 at 08:54, Dr Gloom said:

 

right, so it's an ideology that is largely to blame - NOT FUCKING UK FOREIGN POLICY

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[Alex 37848]

  On 26/05/2017 at 09:01, Dr Gloom said:

 

i've said it before many times on here. the intervention in iraq was misguided and no doubt fanned the flames, helping the terrorists recruit. 

 

but do i blame that for the attack in machester, or the attack in sweden, or germany? no i blame a twisted death cult and the ideology that drives it. 

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It doesn't justify anything but I don't see how you can separate the two things.

[Dr Gloom 24308]

i've never said that Uk foreign policy in iraq didn't play a role, many times i've told you that it played a part in creating sympathy for the terrorists, aiding their recruitment.

 

i just don't think it's the main thing to blame. only a complete moron would. i know the uk foreign policy isn't responsible for the attacks in sweden or germany, or belgium. it's the ideology that drive the attacks - the war on the crusaders and infidels. 

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[Dr Gloom 24308]

  On 26/05/2017 at 09:04, Alex said:

It doesn't justify anything but I don't see how you can separate the two things.

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i think you can. the jihadi ideology existed before we invaded iraq and afghanistan. 

 

not that those interventions helped matters, but still. 

 

anyway this is old ground that we've been over a million times before. the point is corbyn is a moron for trotting out this line now of all times, when he's trying to win an election and people are in shock, mourning or fucking furious. they won't want to hear this shit. 

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[Alex 37848]

In terms of causes though, the two go hand in hand