Generic small time football blather thread FOREVER

[wykikitoon 28572]

Tuchel turned down the Poland job apparently 

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4949]

1 minute ago, wykikitoon said:

Tuchel turned down the Poland job apparently 

Unusual for a German not to want to takeover Poland.

 

 

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[Alex 42161]

6 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

I don't think you offer it to Carsley, and only then sound out Pep and Ancelotti. There's talk that they'd already spoken with Pep in the summer too. 

 

You also don't appoint Carsley on an interim basis if the plan is for him to get the job. 

 

I'm telling you, this all comes back to Dan Ashworth being a useless prick.

 

Yeah, all fair points. 
Allardyce was Ashworth’s man too. Hopefully he continues to get his way and Southgate is next up at Man Utd 

[Alex 42161]

2 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

A German not wanting to takeover Poland is unusual. 

 

 

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[Gemmill 63312]

1 minute ago, Alex said:

Yeah, all fair points. 
Allardyce was Ashworth’s man too. Hopefully he continues to get his way and Southgate is next up at Man Utd 

 

I think you're right that Carsley didn't want it btw. But that is just FURTHER EVIDENCE of Ashworth's failings, because surely the first question you'd ask your chosen successor for the big job is "would you like to do it if the opportunity arose?" 

 

It all comes back to the tool at the hub of the wheel. 

[Meenzer 18049]

7 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

Unusual for a German not to want to takeover Poland.

 

 

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It is unusual, that a German Poland not to takeover wants.

 

[ewerk 39291]

33 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

I think you're right that Carsley didn't want it btw. But that is just FURTHER EVIDENCE of Ashworth's failings, because surely the first question you'd ask your chosen successor for the big job is "would you like to do it if the opportunity arose?" 

 

I don't see why Carsley wouldn't want it. His comments after the Greece game were obviously that he knew that the job was going to someone else. Giving it to Carsley on an interim basis made sense because if no one else became available it allowed the FA to see how Carsley was performing in the top job and if he was doing okay then it was an easy fall back option and 'evidence' that the pathway for English managers is working. I don't see why they didn't give him a chance full time anyway, he won the World Cup with the U21's and all the players he had seem to really rate him so he couldn't do much more.

 

What seems strange to me is that they didn't sound out Howe at all. He's the standout English manager at the moment and was clearly making noises during the summer that he wasn't happy so if being English means anything when it comes to the England manager's job then it was definitely worth a conversation.

[Kid Dynamite 9342]

2 hours ago, Gemmill said:

I like the appointment, but it's a pretty sad indictment of the FA's grand succession planning that they haven't got a viable successor. We're straight back to "pick a foreign bloke that's won something". 

 

Was it Ashworth that set this failed system up? 

I mean they tried that, then Carsley thought he was playing FIFA and started 6 attackers against Greece, we got humped and they obviously thought "fuck this, let's just get a decent manager". Tuchel being the best of the managers currently out of work. 
 

The number of supposedly serious pundits moaning about us hiring a German is hilarious. No-one can say who we should have hired instead btw 

[Gemmill 63312]

2 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I mean they tried that, then Carsley thought he was playing FIFA and started 6 attackers against Greece, we got humped and they obviously thought "fuck this, let's just get a decent manager". Tuchel being the best of the managers currently out of work. 
 

The number of supposedly serious pundits moaning about us hiring a German is hilarious. No-one can say who we should have hired instead btw 

 

I don't believe for a second that the Greece match changed anything. They didn't take a look at Carsley and look at one another and go "What do you reckon? Do you think Pep's better? Shall we ask him?" 

 

If England had beaten Greece, Carsley still wouldn't be getting announced today. 

[ewerk 39291]

4 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I mean they tried that, then Carsley thought he was playing FIFA and started 6 attackers against Greece, we got humped and they obviously thought "fuck this, let's just get a decent manager". Tuchel being the best of the managers currently out of work. 

 

Given Tuchel signed the contract before the Greece game your theory on his appointment doesn't hold up.

[Dazzler 16216]

1 hour ago, Meenzer said:

 

It is unusual, that a German Poland not to takeover wants.

 

[Gemmill 63312]

 

 

Three days ago, this cunt was making the case for Pep for England. Today he thinks the England manager should be English.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, please be upstanding for the Chief Football Writer at the Daily Telegraph. 

 

 

[Monkeys Fist 50776]

2 hours ago, Gemmill said:

the FA's grand succession planning

I honestly don’t see how this would ever work- which coach worth his salt is going to fuck on with junior international tournaments for 6-7 years, playing second fiddle waiting for his gaffer to fuck up? 
If they saw it through, it was only ever going to produce duffers for the top job. 
 

Different story at club level, but international? Nah. 

[Monkeys Fist 50776]

2 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Ladies and gentlemen, please be upstanding for the Chief Football Writer at the Daily Telegraph. 

 

So, you’re saying he’s Chicken Nonce’s superior? 
 

[Gemmill 63312]

1 minute ago, Monkeys Fist said:

I honestly don’t see how this would ever work- which coach worth his salt is going to fuck on with junior international tournaments for 6-7 years, playing second fiddle waiting for his gaffer to fuck up? 
If they saw it through, it was only ever going to produce duffers for the top job. 
 

Different story at club level, but international? Nah. 

 

It was meant to be this "England DNA" thing though, where they're literally identified as a good young coach and groomed for the top job. 

 

But the FA hasn't got the balls to follow through when there are shiny baubles to be won. 

[Monkeys Fist 50776]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

 

It was meant to be this "England DNA" thing though, where they're literally identified as a good young coach and groomed for the top job. 

 

But the FA hasn't got the balls to follow through when there are shiny baubles to be won. 

Also, any “good young coach” is going to fuck off first time a PL club come knocking. 
 

Leaving 2nd raters as 2nd fiddlers. 

[Gemmill 63312]

 

The Daily Mail's take. I fucking despise the press in this country. 

[Kid Dynamite 9342]

12 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

Given Tuchel signed the contract before the Greece game your theory on his appointment doesn't hold up.

I was being facetious, but the point still stands. They probably made their mind up after the first England camp. I imagine they canvassed opinions from the senior players on how it went. 
 

It's a lovely fantasy that we can grow our own coaches from the bottom up, but managing Bellingham, Kane, Foden, Grealish etc. isn't anywhere near the same as managing the U21s.
 

Southgate's pre-England managerial career makes him look like Capello compared to Carsley 

 

[Kid Dynamite 9342]

2 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

The Daily Mail's take. I fucking despise the press in this country. 

Pep being the "right kind of foreigner"

[ewerk 39291]

6 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

Also, any “good young coach” is going to fuck off first time a PL club come knocking. 
 

Leaving 2nd raters as 2nd fiddlers. 

Not if they can see a pathway through to the top job. Carsley won the World Cup without conceding a goal. He couldn’t have done any more to prove himself at U21’s.

[ewerk 39291]

1 minute ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I was being facetious, but the point still stands. They probably made their mind up after the first England camp. I imagine they canvassed opinions from the senior players on how it went. 
 

It's a lovely fantasy that we can grow our own coaches from the bottom up, but managing Bellingham, Kane, Foden, Grealish etc. isn't anywhere near the same as managing the U21s.
 

Southgate's pre-England managerial career makes him look like Capello compared to Carsley 

 

And yet Spain won the Euros and Argentina the WC by promoting their unheralded U21 managers to the senior role.

[Monkeys Fist 50776]

1 minute ago, ewerk said:

And yet Spain won the Euros and Argentina the WC by promoting their unheralded U21 managers to the senior role.

Fuck off. 

[Kid Dynamite 9342]

1 minute ago, ewerk said:

Not if they can see a pathway through to the top job. Carsley won the World Cup without conceding a goal. He couldn’t have done any more to prove himself at U21’s.

Apples and Oranges  

 

Aidy Boothroyd, Howard Wilkinson, David Platt and Peter Taylor had good U21 records too

[Kid Dynamite 9342]

4 minutes ago, ewerk said:

And yet Spain won the Euros and Argentina the WC by promoting their unheralded U21 managers to the senior role.

Totes  

 

Argentina's manager is basically Messi's PA

[Gemmill 63312]

3 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Not if they can see a pathway through to the top job. Carsley won the World Cup without conceding a goal. He couldn’t have done any more to prove himself at U21’s.

 

Also, generally speaking PL clubs don't come knocking for up and coming English coaches without big club experience. They'd rather appoint someone like Lampard or a coach from abroad. 

 

There's definitely logic to the whole plan, but they appear to have abandoned it on its first road test.