Transfers, 2024-25 season

[wykikitoon 24420]

Meslier leaving Leeds. They'll be in for Pope I should think 

[aimaad22 5102]

I get what people are saying about Elanga, may main concern is him not being a one season wonder. But he's certainly got the attributes to be a consistently great player.

 

If we get him for around 50M it's a great buy imo, proven at this level, hard working, very much fits into how Howe likes to play, will provide the dept we need with CL games etc.  If we pay north of 60M you start wondering if we're getting value for money.

 

I hope there's enough interest in Longstaff/Willock to generate a 25-30M fee allowing us to strengthen in CM too, maybe get an upcoming creative playmaker from Europe to get the juices flowing here

[ThatGinolaVolley 183]

I like to think this is step 1: can we fill the positions we need, with young but PL experienced players, at a price we like? Stick in bids for Elanga, Pedro, Trafford, RCB?, and see if we can get them for the price we want (say 50m, 50m, 30m, ?)

 

Each one that works out, great. Each one that doesn't work out, move onto step 2: can we fill the positions we need with young but experienced players from the other top european leagues, at a price we like? Stick in bids for [I know nothing about other leagues, sorry!] for say (45m, 45m, 20m, ?).

 

After that, there would be other steps (hot cheaper propects, older cheaper players, etc).

 

Anyway, that would be my sensible, structured summer transfer strategy for bringing players in for the positions we need filled for the squad this season. Anyone know of a club that's looking for a new sporting director? My rates are very reasonable... 

[strawb 4921]

Mental to me that some randoms from shite leagues are more exciting to some people than proven premier league players.

 

We have seen what Howe does with run of the mill premier league players (like Burn) he turns them into international players. Are all of our first 11 internationals now? Apart from Murphy who should be.

 

We have the best manager in the league at developing players. He has targets that he thinks he can develop. We should give him the grace the buy the players he wants and develop them.

[Rayvin 6704]

9 minutes ago, strawb said:

Mental to me that some randoms from shite leagues are more exciting to some people than proven premier league players.

 

We have seen what Howe does with run of the mill premier league players (like Burn) he turns them into international players. Are all of our first 11 internationals now? Apart from Murphy who should be.

 

We have the best manager in the league at developing players. He has targets that he thinks he can develop. We should give him the grace the buy the players he wants and develop them.

 

This. This x 10. No idea what people are worrying about here. Fucking this.

[Dr Gloom 24644]

24 minutes ago, strawb said:

Mental to me that some randoms from shite leagues are more exciting to some people than proven premier league players.

 

We have seen what Howe does with run of the mill premier league players (like Burn) he turns them into international players. Are all of our first 11 internationals now? Apart from Murphy who should be.

 

We have the best manager in the league at developing players. He has targets that he thinks he can develop. We should give him the grace the buy the players he wants and develop them.

I don’t think they’re more exciting but they are cheaper and PSR has turned us all into fucking accountants 

[aimaad22 5102]

22 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

This. This x 10. No idea what people are worrying about here. Fucking this.

 

I think the thought process is that while Elanga and Pedro are very good its doubtful if they can be consistently world class. Whereas with a relative mystery buy from Europe you're looking to see if we can find another Isak/Bruno/Tonali for the same price.

Man City seem to be going down that route now with Reijnders/Cherki etc. 

[Rayvin 6704]

Just now, aimaad22 said:

 

I think the thought process is that while Elanga and Pedro are very good its doubtful if they can be consistently world class. Whereas with a relative mystery buy from Europe you're looking to see if we can find another Isak/Bruno/Tonali for the same price.

Man City seem to be going down that route now with Reijnders/Cherki etc. 

 

Howe's teams work to systems though, making good players seem a lot better than they are because they're operating as part of a whole. He needs to find players who can operate in his system more than he needs world class players who can do their own thing. I get what we're saying but world class players don't grow on trees and we seem to be struggling to ensure we have the people in place to find them.

 

I would be happy with the players discussed, it would make us a lot stronger than we are now.

[strawb 4921]

17 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

I don’t think they’re more exciting but they are cheaper and PSR has turned us all into fucking accountants 

Couldn’t give a fuck. It’s not my money 

[wykikitoon 24420]

Brentford are going to price Bryan out of a move 

[Rayvin 6704]

3 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Brentford are going to price Bryan out of a move 

 

I thought Man Utd had that one done... interesting. But he did get 20 goals last year..

[Andrew 5793]

1 hour ago, strawb said:

Mental to me that some randoms from shite leagues are more exciting to some people than proven premier league players.

 

We have seen what Howe does with run of the mill premier league players (like Burn) he turns them into international players. Are all of our first 11 internationals now? Apart from Murphy who should be.

 

We have the best manager in the league at developing players. He has targets that he thinks he can develop. We should give him the grace the buy the players he wants and develop them.

 

Its the mystery of it, its more fun.

Unless you're signing a properly world class player from within the league then its someone good from here vs someone you know less about from there.

 

The second option is less known and therefore more exciting.

 

We've lost a lot of that now with wall to wall football coverage and stats and whatnot but it's like how watching the world cup or euros when we were kids was more fun than it is now because you had full countries turning up with players you know nothing about and then some of them would be signed by teams on the basis of that tournament performance alone.

 

It was just more of a laugh which for me at least is what I want football to be.

[Dr Gloom 24644]

22 minutes ago, strawb said:

Couldn’t give a fuck. It’s not my money 

I agree but I also want them to get all the players in that we need for the CL. That becomes harder to do if we shop exclusively in the PL because of the extra £20m or so you have to pay for each player with PL experience. It might mean we end up having to drop some targets or risk ending up in more PSR shit. The whole thing is fucked. I want them to go and sign whoever Howe wants but am also wary of having to panic sell players we don’t want to at the end of next season again.   

[strawb 4921]

4 minutes ago, Andrew said:

 

Its the mystery of it, its more fun.

Unless you're signing a properly world class player from within the league then its someone good from here vs someone you know less about from there.

 

The second option is less known and therefore more exciting.

 

We've lost a lot of that now with wall to wall football coverage and stats and whatnot but it's like how watching the world cup or euros when we were kids was more fun than it is now because you had full countries turning up with players you know nothing about and then some of them would be signed by teams on the basis of that tournament performance alone.

 

It was just more of a laugh which for me at least is what I want football to be.

Yeah I get it, the weird lass from holiday is more exciting that Melissa from Shildon.

 

But you know what Melissa can do. 
 

I wanted to mute this thread ages ago, I should have just ignored it

[Dr Gloom 24644]

8 minutes ago, Andrew said:

 

Its the mystery of it, its more fun.

Unless you're signing a properly world class player from within the league then its someone good from here vs someone you know less about from there.

 

The second option is less known and therefore more exciting.

 

We've lost a lot of that now with wall to wall football coverage and stats and whatnot but it's like how watching the world cup or euros when we were kids was more fun than it is now because you had full countries turning up with players you know nothing about and then some of them would be signed by teams on the basis of that tournament performance alone.

 

It was just more of a laugh which for me at least is what I want football to be.

Ware you saying chin-stroking chat about player amortisation isn’t a hoot? 

[Andrew 5793]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. PSR is the VAR of the transfer window.

In principle its a good idea, and if it was executed well (and fairly) it would make things better, but as it is it doesn't and any chat around it is diabolically boring.