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I mean it’s difficult to simplify it too much. But I think at least in part you have the huge collective guilt of the Holocaust. This is turn has led to Israel being backed financially and militarily in such a disproportionate manner over time that’s led to them being this regional superpower but also surrounding by potential enemies and being a counterbalance to Iran in particular. Then you have the huge vested interest of the American military war machine. And the huge profits that comes with that. You can just row that back easily, which has painted Europe and America into this corner. And Trump being in power and the instability of that seems to have given Israel even more of a free rein. Whilst recognising and agreeing with SpongeBob on Biden’s role in all this too. Probably rambling a bit but I think all that is much more of a factor than securing the Jewish vote in places like New York

That goal-line clearance by van de Ven was unreal BTW. van Dijk does that and we'd be hearing about it since time immemorial.

that awful goal pretty much summed up an awful final between two awful teams the wife's a red so i couldn't celebrate on the outside and had to say soothing things. she knew what i was doing so silence ensued. sweet sweet silence

Well the theory is that the Jews provide a lot of finance to the presidential campaigns so you have to keep them happy, though I'd guess that's another anti-semitic trope.

I didn't take it that way in the slightest mate. I've thoroughly enjoyed this this morning in much the same way as I have crossing swords with craig and yourself over bellamy/dyer in the past!

And yet...

I've got a Pixel 9 Pro you dirty bitch. I wouldn't touch an iPhone with your gnarled, tattooed hands.

It was a joke based on a recent post of yours about being at the casino at this time. That’s all, wasn’t meant to infer anything else. 👍🏻 Hopefully it’s all moot and we get to have our cake and eat it this Sunday anyway

A fair point, but the common belief is it's enough to decide it hence why there's such appeasement.

by far and away the best coffee in a jar out there. a bit like like the galaxy s ultra range pissing all over the iphone.

Instant coffee? What sort of a dreadlocked craft woodworking hipster are you exactly? I thought you'd go everywhere with an Aeropress.

I've had one sex pistols never mind the bollocks mug of nescafe alta rica. the 6 pints of aspalls award goes to any fucker who fails to grasp the intrinsical link between success and finance whilst simultaneously rejoicing in what was achieved in march.

I think a lot of that comes down to Howe's insistence that he deals only with the next game ahead of him, that said he as good as made an admission that wrote off the league game at Anfield in order to keep his powder dry for the cup final so he definitely was prioritising the cup over the league in March. When I started following football, it was all about winning silverware - and it certainly took precedence over Europe given English clubs had only just been banned from it. Even if we did have European football back then, you've either have had to win something, or finish league runners up to qualify for it. So winning domestic silverware DID take precedence. As soon as they started stretching the competitions and allowing more and more teams to qualify, the waters become muddied on what was more important. You're bound to have traditionalists who think winning a trophy is more important, but you're also going to have people who think qualifying for Europe's premier competition provides the platform to push on. Trying to argue which is more important is pointless. It's like trying to argue whether Android or Apple are the better phones - people will have differing opinions. Personally, I've waited my whole lifetime to see us lift a trophy, so for me it took precedence. We did it and following the international break we rightly went into 'the next game' mode which was to push on for Champions League. So rather than the argument of which was more important, it brings about the question 'why not both?'

It'll be harder to repeat a cup win next year though, and for the next few years if we can stop in the CL. That's why winning this last one was so important - building slowly through CL qualification and the extra games that brings will make winning something more difficult. So getting that tangible benefit first has been massive.

You're the chart man these days. Sunday's game is massive but it's not bigger than a cup win. Give me a choice and I'd happily drop into the EL next year and keep the cup win. As it happens I think we'll end up with both cos Eddie Howe is the fucking man.

I was nearly 7 when we won the fairs cup. I was 62 when we won this fucker. I'd like them to come round at a more rapid rate than once every 55 years, or I won't ever see another one. we've been overwhelmingly shite for the entire time ive been supporting this club, I'd desperately like to see us dominate the domestic league and even europe before I'm no longer around. I believe the possibility of this happening hinges on the riches and prestige that comes with regular CL participation and not a domestic trophy every 70 years, hence why I think sunday's game is enormous @Gemmill... hoy a chart up man, say for the last 25 years or so showing who's won trophys/link to wages/income, prove your worth....

Is it though? I know Jews are more likely to vote than the average joe but the largest populations of Jew are in New York, New Jersey and California, which all went Harris last time.

It’s not a fair fight. He’s six pints of Aspall’s deep at this point

The argument is whether an individual cup win is bigger than a one off CL qualification. That’s literally the debate you started. You can’t unequivocally say one is more of a catalyst for subsequent success. If you could, our previous CL campaigns would’ve lead to trophies sooner. It’s not clear cut. We all know finances are the main driver long term. Saying the game v Everton is bigger than the cup final is 20/20 revisionism purely because of the way the season has panned out though. I’d also say the club was not 100% banking on CL qualification this season in its long term planning. That and, on the playing side, Howe was even prepared to prioritise winning the league cup at certain points in the season

You probably can't chuck things at players anymore though.

sustained success is absolutely linked to finances, that is an unequivocal fact. I'm not trying to deny any fucker or myself the romance of winning the cup man, but if you want to see more and even bigger shinier ones then you need to come to terms with that, however distasteful you might find it.

Ferguson or anyone else doesn’t get 3 and a half years to sort stuff out at a big club. It’s a complete anomaly and has been for decades. Another thing, as ewerk mentions, is that Ferguson’s adaptability was one of his huge strengths. He rebuilt great sides in a few occasions but also didn’t mind how he won at times, just so long as he did.

I know a lot of people complain about the disproportionate coverage Man U get in the media but when you’ve been surrounded by ‘United’ fans your whole life you can’t help but absolutely drink this all in.