Missed Sticks

The thing that most worries me is that we've spent most of our money on a player whom we seem to have no idea how to exploit. Robson clearly had a plan with regards to the combined talents of Robert, Bellamy and Shearer. Currently there is no evident plan involving Duff, Martins and Shola. Until i've seen something that resembles one i can't judge Martins properly. It's not looking promising though, which is a shame.

Carlos couldn't keep his job At Real Madrid..... Nigel couldn't keep his job at Stoke..... The parrallels get stronger.....

He's blatantly gonna be our Carlos Queiroz, i just know it, man....

I think it should be very much on his mind tbh.

What? Big Foreign Phil Scolari? No Chance

Curbishley is available. Not that he'd be my 1st choice, or 2nd....

I like Glengettie tea (bags, not leaf). Brew it nice and strong and then top up with a good helping of milk. Serve in a mug. Brought back some nice Orange Pecoe from the Azores (only tea factory in Europe apparently), that's loose so we have to make it in a pot. Always add the milk last though, madness otherwise....

It is all about the infrastructure of a club, both at technical and personal level. Robson was complaining about the ridiculous conditions he had to work at before the club finally moved to Longbenton. Building this was some sort of planning (but also necessary because of the obligatory demands of the Premierleague). The other thing is the coaching set-up especially at the youth level. Another thing is an effective scouting set-up that continuosly checks on players who might be interesting. Maybe then we would see less panic buys. Of course football is in the end a day to day business, especially if you are lacking success, but the planning is all about to miminize risks and exterior factors. Real successful clubs do it. Newcastle don't. Am i right in thinking that you and i (well, i know what i think ) agree with the principle that the club doesn't necessarily need a new Board but that it's effort's might be helped greatly by employing someone with extensive experience and standing to oversee all football matters? To me that seems to be ther crux of the problem. I might also add that if members of the current Board have no wish to lose control over these matters then i would have to join the brigade who want them replaced.

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It's funny, the words 'Bramble' and 'Gambling" are always close together in my mind anyway

1st one's got to be a deflection, surely! He won't get that kind of space often in the Prem i reckon, unless he makes his own with a bit of movement. I won't hold out much hope...

I'm far from sure that replacing the Board is the answer tbh. I'd be more in favour of changing it's composition. Without sounding overly simplistic, we need someone with a real in depth knowledge of fooball and has the connections to help the Board make better informed decisions when it comes to Coach and Manager appointments. SBR would have been perfect imo but we've obviously burnt those bridges!

Roeder has so far spent £15m on two players - Martins £10m and Duff £5m. Rossi, Sibierski and Bernard cost us only a minimal fee in the case of Sib. He's sold Viana £1.7m, Chopra £500k, Faye £2m and Boumsong £3.3m total of over £7.5m. We've also lost some players due to their contract expiring. Brittain for example but most noticeably Alan Shearer who will have been lifting £3m minimum in my opinion. That pretty much suggests that Roeders outlay in terms of fees paid is £15m out and £7.5m in give or take a couple of hundred thousand here and there. The Club are also saving up to £8m this season in the way of both Shearer and for the duration of his injury, Owens (£5m) wages. So the £7.5m recieved plus the £8m wages saved means that in actual fact Roeder has wheeled and dealed and hasn't spent anything of note, if at all. Consider the wages of the sold players will go a long way if not all the way to covering the wages of the 'new' players. Also, Bowyer wasn't mentioned. Anyway, i'm sure some of you have read it, just wondering if any of you money heads could confirm if this is the case.

I think next summer we will be consolidating and rebuilding financial stability after the mess the jock fuckpig left us in. And I think financial stability now is essential. We might qualify for europe again, we will be one of the clubs between 6th and 10th. Which is the logic behind Roeders appointment I think, someone who would work hard for the club who would put its interests first. Roeder will still be in charge if we do this, whether or not we do I think almost totally depends on how successful Martins is, and to a lesser degree Duff, because its where he spent his money - the 2 things are tied together with those players. No, I don't think Shearer will come in while Roeder is doing alright or better. What do you think ? I agree, i think Roeder will still be in charge if we qualify for Europe. I must be honest and say that i think we may struggle to do that though. I just don't think we have the defensive quality to do so. Martins does look like a player who can create his own goals (if he hits some good form) but i think the rest of the time our forwards won't always get the support they need because the CM's and FB's will be worried about pushing on and leaving the back exposed. I don't think we have a single good defender at the club. If we manage to rectify that in January then i will re-evaluate my expectations. What i was hoping for was that Roeder would be able to coach our team to defend properly, for whatever reason, that doesn't appear to be happening. If we don't qualify for Europe i think FS will decide to replace Roeder. As for Shearer coming in, i don't think he'll get involved yet (if ever).

Incidentally, in Taylor's last 2 games he's made mistakes that have led to the opposition scoring. Not good enough.

I just can't see us getting relegated.

Despite the reality of the performance the only thing that will be remembered will be the result which was only 2-0 so no real reason for mass doom and gloom today. There will be other teams with more clinical CF's who will put 4 or 5 past us, no problem.

Some of your points are well made but you're confusing me as to why you re-iterate the notion that we no longer had the resources to strengthen the defence. Your attitude borders on some sought of propaganda campaign! 1) A team can have the most limited budget, i.e. £0, and still sign Campbell, Woodgate (loan), Johnson (loan), Trabelsi (pay as you play). Why you keep forgetting this is quite bemusing. 2) The club made a late bid for Huth and Viduka proving there was more money to spend, therefore the budget wasn't as 'limited' as you presume. The above are facts yet you seem to show no interest in consistently including them in your thinking. As to whose fault it was that we didn't sign them, i don't know. I don't presume it was Shepherd, the club have spent heavily under his stewardship and for that i can have little complaint. But something went very wrong in our approach to the transfer window. We needed defenders and could have had them for an outlay of £0 yet we only signed Bernard, whose yet to play because he is sooooo out of practice. We don't have to say who, because we don't know, but someone at NUFC f**ked up in no small way over the summer just gone. These are hardly revelations I am not excusing anything. I realise we could have signed those players. However, does it simply not occur to you the manager didn't want them ? And in my view, he is fully justified for not wanting Woodgate [as we have enough injury prone players], Campbell [looking for a last pay day and may not really have his heart in it] . As for players signing for Man City, it is slightly ironic that Newcastle fans are slagging off their club for not signing free transfer players, yet Man City fans are slagging off their club for signing free transfer players and not paying money for bargain players such as Damien Duff when they have the opportunity ? So who, on this evidence, would like to swap our board with Man city ---- a club that has won domestic trophies and been ahead of us for the vast majority of the 30 years previous to our current board taking over the club. Does it occur to you that the club may have been hoping for Huth and viduka;s fees to lower as the deadline approached ? Or do you think that as they are strapped for cash they should have spent it anyway ? And , surely if Huth signed for the smogs on deadline day it at least shows fuckwits like Dan that contrary to what he appears to think, making last minute transfer deals is hardly a phenonema dominated by only NUFC ? How come the great chairman Steve gibson allows his club to get involved in "panic pre deadline transfers ? The club cannot sign every player YOU think they should. Its unrealistic and daft tbh, but I suspect that YOU may realise that, unlike some of the more idiotic on here. Some of your post does not really seem as a response to mine so i expect you are feeling you are having to answer lots of people in one go, sympathies extended. Re: Bit in bold. That is my completely uninformed reading of the situation. Roeder obviousley passed over the players we've mentioned because he believed he could get someone more suitable. Unfortunately, he didn't. I might also add that the players mentioned are an improvement on our current squad, imo. What i find puzzling is that there was no evident 'plan B.' Roeder said (after signing Martins) that he really didn't have anyone else in mind and i didn't believe him (at the time). However, the lack of any alternative to Huth has made me rethink. Personally, i find this a very naive way for a Prem manager to plan. Maybe, but its difficult to say isn't it ? There are plenty of other "naive" premiership managers. I really just think - and accept - he had his budget and targetted what he thought was the most important areas, and hope he has spent his money well. I don't disagree with the club not spending above their budget - which is still a good one - because the current situation is the result of the club backing the last wanker with a huge purse, which people on here said they ought to do. So they are in no position to criticise the club now - as they agreed with Fred - despite people like me trying to tell them the position we would be in now, which is also exactly as it has turned out. Well, i suppose it's one of the few things one can take no pleasure in being right about! Where do you see the club by next summer? Do you think we'll be able to sign the players we need in January? Do you think Roeder will still be in charge? Do you think Shearer will be his assistant?

Some of your points are well made but you're confusing me as to why you re-iterate the notion that we no longer had the resources to strengthen the defence. Your attitude borders on some sought of propaganda campaign! 1) A team can have the most limited budget, i.e. £0, and still sign Campbell, Woodgate (loan), Johnson (loan), Trabelsi (pay as you play). Why you keep forgetting this is quite bemusing. 2) The club made a late bid for Huth and Viduka proving there was more money to spend, therefore the budget wasn't as 'limited' as you presume. The above are facts yet you seem to show no interest in consistently including them in your thinking. As to whose fault it was that we didn't sign them, i don't know. I don't presume it was Shepherd, the club have spent heavily under his stewardship and for that i can have little complaint. But something went very wrong in our approach to the transfer window. We needed defenders and could have had them for an outlay of £0 yet we only signed Bernard, whose yet to play because he is sooooo out of practice. We don't have to say who, because we don't know, but someone at NUFC f**ked up in no small way over the summer just gone. These are hardly revelations I am not excusing anything. I realise we could have signed those players. However, does it simply not occur to you the manager didn't want them ? And in my view, he is fully justified for not wanting Woodgate [as we have enough injury prone players], Campbell [looking for a last pay day and may not really have his heart in it] . As for players signing for Man City, it is slightly ironic that Newcastle fans are slagging off their club for not signing free transfer players, yet Man City fans are slagging off their club for signing free transfer players and not paying money for bargain players such as Damien Duff when they have the opportunity ? So who, on this evidence, would like to swap our board with Man city ---- a club that has won domestic trophies and been ahead of us for the vast majority of the 30 years previous to our current board taking over the club. Does it occur to you that the club may have been hoping for Huth and viduka;s fees to lower as the deadline approached ? Or do you think that as they are strapped for cash they should have spent it anyway ? And , surely if Huth signed for the smogs on deadline day it at least shows fuckwits like Dan that contrary to what he appears to think, making last minute transfer deals is hardly a phenonema dominated by only NUFC ? How come the great chairman Steve gibson allows his club to get involved in "panic pre deadline transfers ? The club cannot sign every player YOU think they should. Its unrealistic and daft tbh, but I suspect that YOU may realise that, unlike some of the more idiotic on here. Some of your post does not really seem as a response to mine so i expect you are feeling you are having to answer lots of people in one go, sympathies extended. Re: Bit in bold. That is my completely uninformed reading of the situation. Roeder obviousley passed over the players we've mentioned because he believed he could get someone more suitable. Unfortunately, he didn't. I might also add that the players mentioned are an improvement on our current squad, imo. What i find puzzling is that there was no evident 'plan B.' Roeder said (after signing Martins) that he really didn't have anyone else in mind and i didn't believe him (at the time). However, the lack of any alternative to Huth has made me rethink. Personally, i find this a very naive way for a Prem manager to plan.

i think he would drop him if we had any cover. one month into the new season and we're down to 4 fit senior defenders. who could have predicted it? Err...all of us!

Harper Carr Taylor Moore Bernard Solano/ Milner Butt Zog O'Brien Sibs Luque Pattison to come on for ZOg after 45-60 mins We won't struggle againt this lot so rest some key players and give others an opportunity.

Some of your points are well made but you're confusing me as to why you re-iterate the notion that we no longer had the resources to strengthen the defence. Your attitude borders on some sought of propaganda campaign! 1) A team can have the most limited budget, i.e. £0, and still sign Campbell, Woodgate (loan), Johnson (loan), Trabelsi (pay as you play). Why you keep forgetting this is quite bemusing. 2) The club made a late bid for Huth and Viduka proving there was more money to spend, therefore the budget wasn't as 'limited' as you presume. The above are facts yet you seem to show no interest in consistently including them in your thinking. As to whose fault it was that we didn't sign them, i don't know. I don't presume it was Shepherd, the club have spent heavily under his stewardship and for that i can have little complaint. But something went very wrong in our approach to the transfer window. We needed defenders and could have had them for an outlay of £0 yet we only signed Bernard, whose yet to play because he is sooooo out of practice. We don't have to say who, because we don't know, but someone at NUFC f**ked up in no small way over the summer just gone. These are hardly revelations

It might be that evidence was uncovered that was made available to NUFC. I think we should also wait to see who is brought in as coache(s) before we start getting irate. We certainly need someone of quality though because there's a few players under performing by my reckoning.

Maybe there's another agenda and they're using this as an excuse or maybe he was involved in something a bit bent over the summer (with us) and the club have decided to move him on swiftly in light of the 'secret evidence' the BBC gave to the FA. All sounds a bit weird to me.