Jimbo

When you watch clowns you have the right to boo in my opinion. I'm glad you pointed out Sammy Lee on your list, Bolton were brave enough to admit they had appointed the wrong man and acted before their season was at the point of no return, shame we aren't brave enough to do the same. Gary Megson though?? An improvement on Sammy Lee, who had also lost the dressing room in record time, once the dressing room is lost thats it, 13 matches or 13,000, How long before Sam loses the dressing room, if he hasn't already ?

For everyone who quotes Citeh as an example of how things should be at this club i'm going to kill a kitten. They're quite simply a one off and could've so easily ended up in our position. Best you get your arse down the pet shop.

When you watch clowns you have the right to boo in my opinion. I'm glad you pointed out Sammy Lee on your list, Bolton were brave enough to admit they had appointed the wrong man and acted before their season was at the point of no return, shame we aren't brave enough to do the same.

This "don't play your new signings for 10 matches" theory/excuse kind of falls flat on its face when you think of Man City this season doesn't it !

Surely his departure is as much, if not more to do with the breakdown of his relationship with board and chairman rather than there very predictable league position ??

If only The Fish actually had a zip across his mouth.

Sam Allardyce feels pressure piling up The Telegraph By Tim Rich Newcastle United (0) 0 Liverpool (1) 3 All he wanted was an easy night's sleep; to wake up on Sunday morning without worry or regret. But on this Sunday morning, Sam Allardyce would have read how the Bolton team he built, using At Bolton, he only once lost a home match to Liverpool. He had frustrated coach Rafael Benitez, who had refused to shake his hand, or share a glass of wine and been reduced to impotent outbursts about Bolton's bullying tactics. Big Sam cared not a jot about the Liverpool manager; he had the points. Not any more, not after a performance that Shay Given thought was the worst Newcastle had delivered in his 10 years keeping goal against Liverpool. Had Fernando Torres possessed a modicum of luck or Given's form been less acute, Liverpool would have matched the seven-goal rout played out at Goodison in another one-sided contest between Merseyside and the North-East. "I never liked losing football matches," said Allardyce, after his 13th Premier League match as Newcastle manager, which proved as poor as the 10th, 11th and 12th. "I want to get up on a Sunday and feel good about myself. I don't want to get up and feel dejected, upset and worried." He turned to respond to a question. "What are we trying to do? We are trying to play football. We didn't do it very well." Of all the chants of derision that St James' Park had aimed at Allardyce; the ones about him being sacked in the morning, or going off to manage England, perhaps the only one that would have stung was the cry of, "You should have stayed at the Reebok". "That kind of thing is a fact of life here," said Allardyce, nursing his cup of coffee. "I could have sat comfortably where I was, picked up my money and stayed at Bolton. I wanted a bigger challenge and this is the one. I am good enough and big enough for it. "The reaction doesn't surprise me. The supporters want so much and they want it so soon. I have to make sure the confidence doesn't drain from the players because, if it does, everything becomes very difficult." In Given's decade at Newcastle, they had spent more than £62 million on defenders. Essentially, Given has played behind a new defence in every one of his seasons at St James' yet few would have performed as wretchedly as David Rozehnal, Habib Beye and Jose Enrique did here. They are all Allardyce's players but, crucially, none arrived with any Premier League experience. They desperately require time to bed in, but Allardyce will find that time moves at a faster rate on Tyneside than anywhere else. The club's owner, Mike Ashley, who had seen £100 million wiped from the value of his company, Sports Direct since England's elimination from the European Championship, is "sharp learning" football's true cost. There is no question of him adding to it by removing Allardyce - that would be ludicrous timing. But reports of tension between owner and manager; of unhappy players confused by new training methods, remain. "Disruptive rumours, as always. Chinese whispers," said Allardyce. "It's not good, is it?"

Yep, thats the kind of face I'd pull too.

He'll probably play the pair of them as fullbacks.

Typical managerial arrogance, he is resposible when things go right, and the team is responsible when things go bad.

Does this mean Big Sam is to be given a stay of execution? I'm just pausing to sharpen my axe. and yes that can also be a euphamism if you so desire.

Eddie Johnson

Personally I felt more embarassed by the shocking display on the pitch than by any vocal antics by the crowd, in my opinion they were perfectly entitled to voice their discontent after being insulted by a manager that is either incompetant or too arrogant to change his mind.

Just think of the misery I'd have saved if Shepherd had taken my inspired advice.

Starting the "Official Souness Out" Thread. Jimbo man, you're on a one man sacking spree! calm down mate To be fair I think at some point EVERYONE had started a Roeder out and Souness out thread.

I hate fucking blaming injuries but we can't honestly expect to see what Allardyce is learning until he's got close to a full strength squad. I can only think of Smith off the top of my head as being a 'bad buy'. There was almost a collective thwapathon on here with some of the buts he made over the summer. Good players don't turn into bad players. As they say form is temporary, class is permanent and since the Pompy game we've hit a brick wall. Yes, we weren't playing brilliant prior to that but we managed to get results. Your last sentence just strikes me as quite pompous. We may not be a 'little club' but we're certainly not as big as some people want to believe we are. I totally agree, I just think the Allardyce thrived under the conditions at Bolton, small budget, lowish expectations from the fans, now he's got money to burn in the transfer market and is in a pressure-cooker environment in comparison, he is floundering.

Is it fickle to be able to recognise early that we have made a mistake in appointing a manager ? There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Allardyce is making any progress at all, infact we are getting worse and worse as the matches go on and utterly no evidence that Allardyce is learning anything about his players in terms of which ones he should be selecting. With every passing match Allardyce is looking more and more like a square peg in a round hole, and in tern he seems to be alienating the crowd and losing the players belief, his own signings are progressively looking like bad buys which will not be giving Mike Ashley any confidence in giving Allardyce the funds to turn it around if indeed he can. The sooner we admit we've fucked up the better and let Allardyce go off and manage a little club somewhere else which is at his level.

Who then!! Im still waiting on a name Off the top of my head Ottmar Hitzfeld ? Alex McLeish ? Quique Florres ? Marcello Lippi ? Michael Laudrup ? Co Adriaanse ? McLeish is the only realistic one out of that lot and IMO, he's no great shakes. Do you think he could manage the seemingly monumental task of picking a decent starting XI and formation and then produce the sporting miracle that is substituting the right players ? Possibly, but do you think he'd be able to get the best out of a side of which most haven't played with each other before and a lot of others haven't played in this league before? Also, do you think he'd be given more than 13 games to create his own team? No, he wouldn't. I find it funny that people are using the 13 games thing as an excuse for Allardyce, 13 games in which he has brought in several of his own players yet made us worse than under Souness or Roeder. When a manager loses the dressing room, it doesn't matter if he's had 13 matches or 1300, he's got to go.

Yes

Who then!! Im still waiting on a name Off the top of my head Ottmar Hitzfeld ? Alex McLeish ? Quique Florres ? Marcello Lippi ? Michael Laudrup ? Co Adriaanse ? McLeish is the only realistic one out of that lot and IMO, he's no great shakes. Do you think he could manage the seemingly monumental task of picking a decent starting XI and formation and then produce the sporting miracle that is substituting the right players ?

agreed, go knock one out rather than stressing on here.....

Who then!! Im still waiting on a name Off the top of my head Ottmar Hitzfeld ? Alex McLeish ? Quique Florres ? Marcello Lippi ? Michael Laudrup ? Co Adriaanse ?

If the fans turn on the manager within 13 games then why would a top manager want to come here? Off the top of my head. Premier League football Billionaire owner The challenge Ego Excellent squad (believe it or not) World class training facilities Money 50,000 Fans that will love you if you play effective football.