Jimbo

Typical managerial arrogance, he is resposible when things go right, and the team is responsible when things go bad.

Does this mean Big Sam is to be given a stay of execution? I'm just pausing to sharpen my axe. and yes that can also be a euphamism if you so desire.

Eddie Johnson

Personally I felt more embarassed by the shocking display on the pitch than by any vocal antics by the crowd, in my opinion they were perfectly entitled to voice their discontent after being insulted by a manager that is either incompetant or too arrogant to change his mind.

Just think of the misery I'd have saved if Shepherd had taken my inspired advice.

Starting the "Official Souness Out" Thread. Jimbo man, you're on a one man sacking spree! calm down mate To be fair I think at some point EVERYONE had started a Roeder out and Souness out thread.

I hate fucking blaming injuries but we can't honestly expect to see what Allardyce is learning until he's got close to a full strength squad. I can only think of Smith off the top of my head as being a 'bad buy'. There was almost a collective thwapathon on here with some of the buts he made over the summer. Good players don't turn into bad players. As they say form is temporary, class is permanent and since the Pompy game we've hit a brick wall. Yes, we weren't playing brilliant prior to that but we managed to get results. Your last sentence just strikes me as quite pompous. We may not be a 'little club' but we're certainly not as big as some people want to believe we are. I totally agree, I just think the Allardyce thrived under the conditions at Bolton, small budget, lowish expectations from the fans, now he's got money to burn in the transfer market and is in a pressure-cooker environment in comparison, he is floundering.

Is it fickle to be able to recognise early that we have made a mistake in appointing a manager ? There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Allardyce is making any progress at all, infact we are getting worse and worse as the matches go on and utterly no evidence that Allardyce is learning anything about his players in terms of which ones he should be selecting. With every passing match Allardyce is looking more and more like a square peg in a round hole, and in tern he seems to be alienating the crowd and losing the players belief, his own signings are progressively looking like bad buys which will not be giving Mike Ashley any confidence in giving Allardyce the funds to turn it around if indeed he can. The sooner we admit we've fucked up the better and let Allardyce go off and manage a little club somewhere else which is at his level.

Who then!! Im still waiting on a name Off the top of my head Ottmar Hitzfeld ? Alex McLeish ? Quique Florres ? Marcello Lippi ? Michael Laudrup ? Co Adriaanse ? McLeish is the only realistic one out of that lot and IMO, he's no great shakes. Do you think he could manage the seemingly monumental task of picking a decent starting XI and formation and then produce the sporting miracle that is substituting the right players ? Possibly, but do you think he'd be able to get the best out of a side of which most haven't played with each other before and a lot of others haven't played in this league before? Also, do you think he'd be given more than 13 games to create his own team? No, he wouldn't. I find it funny that people are using the 13 games thing as an excuse for Allardyce, 13 games in which he has brought in several of his own players yet made us worse than under Souness or Roeder. When a manager loses the dressing room, it doesn't matter if he's had 13 matches or 1300, he's got to go.

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Who then!! Im still waiting on a name Off the top of my head Ottmar Hitzfeld ? Alex McLeish ? Quique Florres ? Marcello Lippi ? Michael Laudrup ? Co Adriaanse ? McLeish is the only realistic one out of that lot and IMO, he's no great shakes. Do you think he could manage the seemingly monumental task of picking a decent starting XI and formation and then produce the sporting miracle that is substituting the right players ?

agreed, go knock one out rather than stressing on here.....

Who then!! Im still waiting on a name Off the top of my head Ottmar Hitzfeld ? Alex McLeish ? Quique Florres ? Marcello Lippi ? Michael Laudrup ? Co Adriaanse ?

If the fans turn on the manager within 13 games then why would a top manager want to come here? Off the top of my head. Premier League football Billionaire owner The challenge Ego Excellent squad (believe it or not) World class training facilities Money 50,000 Fans that will love you if you play effective football.

So Newcastle has become a job no body wants ? don't make me laugh, a Premier League club with a Billionaire owner, you'd be pleasantly surprised with you we could attract.

Why has it automatically got to be a manager out of work ? It doesn't. But it has to be realistic. It was realistic that Spurs could get Juande Ramos, I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to attract managers of a similar reputation.

Why has it automatically got to be a manager out of work ?

Sam Allardyce is the footballing equivalent of Gordon Brown, once looked like a massive improvement on the previous loon but is quickly looking like a disaster.

Spot on from .com ....Two successive home defeats by three-goal margins is something that must snap Allardyce out of his "best start in 11 years" complacency. This side is heading for oblivion as things stand and not even Graeme Souness or Glenn Roeder managed that after just 13 league games....

He's already had 13 chances for fucks sake, he's fucked up 5 and almost fucked up 3 more, how many chances should he get before the penny drops? 13 games in football is nothing. Bugger all. If this we're Souness,Roeder,Shearer would you be saying the same? Would you fuck Exactly, these performance/results been at the hand of a mind boggling dumb appointment like Bruce or Warnock, folk would be outside SJP with pitchforks and burning torches calling for his head 13 matches or not.

He's already had 13 chances for fucks sake, he's fucked up 5 and almost fucked up 3 more, how many chances should he get before the penny drops? 13 games in football is nothing. Bugger all. Seriously, at what point will you start pressing the panic button and when you do won't you be wishing you'd pressed it sooner ?

... you're pissed off because we've been shit so far, but you think it's more likely that we'll continue in this fashion than we turn things around? That's very pessimistic, given we've got time and money and the opportunity to spend that money. oh and your previous point is not really a fair comment, I had the awful pleasure of watching us on tv and suffered replays and the like, so I've had just as much to complain about as you. It's not through choice I sat at home. Ultimately football is a results business and if results don't improve soon or at least show evidence of a change of form then changes need to be made, our recent poor/shocking run of performances can all be pin-pointed to poor managerial decisions.

Out of interest why were you against Allardyce's appointment and how bad are you willing to let it get ? I thought he was no better than Roeder tactically. I thought Bolton played ugly football that Newcastle fans would not accept and that he had a small club mentality that approached games from a point of view of upsetting the opposition rather than matching them. We've got a defence who haven't had one player acquainted with another from last season in a single game. It needs to be sorted but everyone went along with the dismantling of the team when he arrived. Getting rid would be embarrasing. I was in favour of his appointment at the time, but I feel that your misgivings are being proven to be totally correct, I'm not honestly suggesting he's sacked tomorrow but what I am highlighting is that I think we need to recognise that we have made a mistake and have appointed the wrong manager.