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Oh I wonder who put the 'head gasket' line into your head! 6697[/snapback] Some bloke who I just caught chatting up the new girl at work actually. 6702[/snapback] Sounds like he needs your permission. So is it that you're her pimp or that he's your luvva? If it's the former please post picture and rates, actually if it's the latter..

We're only about 2 hours east and it's been raining here!

That's supposed to be subtle? Anyone who feels that advice is helpful to them do yourself a favour and go back to defeating Orcs with your +3 Wand of Sadness!

Ow! Shouldn't that link come with some sort of warning for people with photo-epilepsy?

I thought you might pick me up on that! The reason I started with the us/them thing as opposed to answering your questions was to try and stick to one thread of debate as opposed to us firing 4/5 questions back and forth and just gettting in a muddle of an argument. To be honest I'm not sure if an argument like this can be in anyway successful in a forum, it's nigh on impossible face to face! I'll have a go at answering your questions without my usual meandering waffle: Closed borders - no. Pushing cultures further apart in the long run will lead to big nasty war like scenarios - and we really can't afford world wars at this technological point. Give in? Don't know how. Have they actually made any requests? If you believe this is a holy war then bowing down to Allah and rejecting our western ways would be the only way, I for one like my XBox. I was deeply trying to avoid the political correct thing - it's just common sense by another name when used right (don't scream racial abuse at passers-by or laugh at people in wheel-chairs. unless they're stand up comedians), but a damaging tool when in the hands of complete tools. I recently tried to ask HTT about his strange world views on black people, politically correct to a tee - equally unthoughtout, he completely ignored my comments of course. For me that kind of thinking does as much damage as extremist ideologies going forward. See what happens when I try to answer multiple questions! Oh and when I said carry this scenario forward: We continue to wage what they consider an unjust war on them. Recruitment increases. They do actually become the highly organised and populated threat we would be led to believe they currently are and the west starts to look a lot like Israel with regards to police state and suicide bombers. I use us to mean the West and them to mean currently the muslim population. And just for the record if we switched places they would do to us what we do to them and vice versa.

I looked at that about ten minutes ago, I can't get that bloody tune out of my head! I'm worried...

It's her birthright, you're just being greedy!

This is not confined to women - one of my male friends possesses 20 pairs of trainers. And no, he isn't. 4819[/snapback] what, a chav?

But if we're using the terms us/them we're drawing a line somewhere. Who exactly is us, who is them?

Robbing Bill Gates' piggy bank.

I'll say Miriam but only if I can play with her little shrivelled willy while we're at it. Normally that would be shocking but with you lot...

Well that's out paid to my glimmer of optimism! Cheers gents.

Jesus, and I thought the terrorism debate might get heated!

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsD...~692443,00.html Don't know much about him but he can't be worse to O'Brien..can he?

Looks like we were working off the same reading list! Forgotten a lot of them till I saw that. Speaking of Asterix - used to be a big fan of Tintin. Ordered the dvd boxed set recently - haven't watched any yet - it'll probably be a disappointment!

Problem is GF, it't that kind of Maths that can justify those bombings - collateral damage - kill a few for the greater good. Not something I can agree with!

Or we could try and take out the problem at source? These guys felt justified in what they did, if you take away their justification the lunatics can't recruit. Why don't you play that little scenario of yours above forward, where does it end up? We can't police a the underground effectively, let alone a country - even an island. Keep raising the stakes and where do you end up? So we need to find a way to stop the recruitment. It isn't us vs them, I feel a lot more affinity with Joe soap on another continent than a politician in any country.

Manu Chao - Clandestino - never even heard of him before I moved to France - well funky. CaliMag - cheers for reminding me to download..em buy Kasabian's album - loved a couple of their songs when I heard them a while back and then forgot completely.

aye, last thing you need is a schizophrenic loyalist!

I think Rob might be on the same wavelength as me with current happenings but I don't want to say much because I think emotions are still running very high. I remember how I was feeling after 9-11.

So in the course of a few weeks they've gone from "Don't worry a bulb just blew in the underground", to keep everyone calm, to making people more worried about the police than the terrorists. nice work!

no it's deadly serious, I too needed some shit removing that day and overheard the same thing

PessimisticSprout?

Yes I figured it was a fairly safe option, didn't want to chance Anelka, would like to see him here. CraigMoore was very tempting but I thought he might glass me or something.