Rayvin

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2022/mar/15/david-squires-on-the-fall-of-chelsea-roman-empire Squires on Chelsea. Guess which other club made it in...

Sorry to hear this too. I have known a couple of lads from my school do the same - one of them I knew in both primary and high school in fact, not that we were close. It is unsettling indeed.

Condolences mate, really sorry to hear this.

I filled it in - I think you should open some discussion or reasoning as far as possible though as some of the responses are going to be a bit off otherwise. For instance, you ask how relevant an owner's human rights record should be when considering their ownership of a team. I think 'very relevant' is about right. Then you go on to ask about the morality of football fans then supporting this team. I don't think we're the front line on that argument anymore than anyone else who buys or sells anything tied to Saudi Arabia would be. The onus is on the government and authorities to take a moral stand against this stuff because they're the ones with some semblance of control - not random football fans who have no control over the situation whatsoever. Anyway my answers reflect this view. You might also consider asking if away fans attending games at SJP are also morally complicit in the sportswashing (they are if we are - they had as much choice as we did).

Honestly mate, what you're feeling - all the emotions and everything - they're nothing to be ashamed of. They're just how you feel. It's both right and natural that very distressing events have caused you distress. It sounds like you're making the right moves in working through them, and the world is just going to have to accept that these things take time. I think confronting it fully is the way through any sort of serious inner pain - in this country we put too much value on the notion of putting a brave face on it and toughing it out IMO. I do think people are generally starting to be a bit more understanding about this though, so I am sure your colleagues will be genuine in their concern. It wouldn't change my view of you at all, for what it's worth - crying or no. I do agree that alcohol probably isn't a good idea to throw into the mix with this, although again - if you feel the need idk, I wouldn't judge. I've been there myself. If you feel able to manage without though, then you should. What you're feeling is valid and reasonable, there's nothing wrong with how you're reacting - it's just a question of working through it.

What has Rebel Wilson done to make anyone think she's capable of being spontaneously funny?

Why would we care if this girl loves rich energy? Is she famous or something? Also why does he have 4 wine glasses? Were the other two people at the table not attractive enough for the photo? And he's clearly just finished his coffee, the wine drinking looks staged. Why would you stage wine drinking? He's a cunt.

I mean, the USA still executes people, does it not? Over 50% of this country want the death penalty back. It's deplorable but I'm not sure how we can justify throwing stones at Saudi for this.

I hope we win, would be a watershed result in many ways.

My bad - I mean it's got me into such a rage that I've already punched several holes through my bedroom wall in sheer, unsuppressed masculine anger. I've calmed to the point of pacing around the house and beating my chest but I don't fancy having to redecorate another room

The Saudis are killing civilians in Yemen and Russia is killing them in Ukraine. That's all I was getting at really. I don't believe there's ever a good reason to kill innocent people. But I'm going to bow out of these topics now anyway as I'm emotionally drained from all of this.

Not going to get into a big discussion on it but I continue to believe he has been absolutely right in his views on Russia based on what I've seen. When Salisbury went down and everyone wanted immediate action, Corbyn wanted caution and adherence to international law and standards. We flouted that because it suited us. Little things like this make bigger things, like Russian invasions, easier. That said, I am struggling to think how he would have handled this. The press would have been calling for him to fire warheads by now ofc, and his own party would be lining up to testify against him for managing the crisis poorly, but it would be interesting to understand how he would tackle it.

I will say like, I continue to have nothing against Southampton. They build some decent teams now and then. But as others have said, I don't understand why this game wound so many Southampton fans up.. at the most charitable interpretation of both teams, in my head, we're midtable. So one midtable team beats another. Not exactly hugely unexpected. And tbf Howay is right - everyone and their dog bitches on about our fanbase, team, club and city while knowing next to fuck all about it. It does get old.

From Southampton's forum, post-match: I’ve seen some nasty teams over my time but they must be the shittiest, most despicable bunch of cheats I’ve ever had the misfortune to witness. The main positive I took from tonight was that Newcastle's destined journey to the summit of European football is going to take about 200 years on that showing. For the money spent, they are all over the show. Cunts cunts cunts cunts cunts cunts cunts. Dirty fucking cheating cunts. So y'know, they took it well The second comment there is interesting though as there were a few variations of it, and it got me thinking that clearly a number of fans of other clubs really pay no attention to us at all. That's fine, I couldn't name most of Southampton's first team either tbh - but a lot of them genuinely do seem to think we went out and spent £90m to buy a completely new team that is meant to be playing like a side competing for CL places - and that we have therefore failed, because "we look pretty shite". They're in for a rude awakening next season I think.

Fair enough, I don't know enough of the detail to push back on that.

I didn't so much give up as conclude that the west has in some form actually learned something from Iraq. As I said elsewhere, I'm not sure I could see those circumstances repeating now. Cameron was stopped with respect of Syria, etc.

Spot on. And to be fair to the mackems, you can copy and paste that conclusion to pretty much every other fan (from any club) who has bitched on about it too.

I would support the sanctioning of KSA, including any damage to NUFC, if it stopped people's lives being lost in Yemen. I can't see how it is fundamentally different to the Ukraine situation. It won't happen though - but for the sake consistency and the value of human lives, it probably should. EDIT - to be clear though, I'd expect those sanctions to apply outside of just NUFC as well. We'd be talking every link they had anywhere.

This is the thing though, right- they're hoping Saudi Arabia gets sanctioned because of the impact it'll have on us. Not because of the Yemeni people suffering and dying - who they clearly couldn't give a shit about - but because of football. The fucking cunts man So classy though..

I was just reading the Guardian's match report on this, or the comments at least, and the sheer number of removed comments from Southampton fans is actually quite stunning. We have no long lasting grudge with Southampton do we? I don't understand why everyone has gotten so worked up about this game, other than that they've all been drinking the same koolaid as their manager. Would we give a shit about this if the tables were turned? Honestly I do think that there are a lot of clubs and fans in the league who aren't mentally prepared for us to be a good team again. It's going to be fun to watch

I'm glad you're enjoying this

Can you buy a frozen asset?

Fair enough but ffs you'd think they'd have some operational contingencies built into their accounts. Maybe they'll switch over to bank loans I suppose. How long this lasts is the real question in terms of the impact this has.

Shedend's thread on this is now viewable: https://www.theshedend.com/topic/32425-roman-abramovich-chelsea-fc-sanctioned/page/48/#comments They think they're fucked, is the tl;dr version.

They surely can't just have been living day to day out of his pocket though, they must generate enough money to actually be sustainable..?