Rayvin

Absolutely right. Although I'm worried for Starmer on that front too.

I did leave the party in January 2019 as a protest over Brexit - I sent a long, pointless email that no one ever replied to, explaining my reasons. Then I rejoined when they came up with a Brexit plan that made sense to me. Happy?

Consider me defeated, I guess.

It's going to achieve nothing whatsoever. I just can't do it anymore though.

I decided to wait until the leadership election and tbh I've just not really through about it in recent weeks - I had basically committed to it so this additional claim is meaningless I guess, but if I hadn't already decided to this would have broken me all over again. I'm now convinced that Corbyn was willfully ignoring this chaos for factional reasons. I'm also convinced that we never stood a chance while this was going on. I've just seen a transcript of senior party officials lamenting that we won Kensington in 2017. What's the point anymore man. It's two political parties trying to pretend they're just one.

Having said that, if some of the things the pro-Corbynites have claimed are true then honestly both sides are about as bad as each other. They've been fucking feuding while the Tories have been destroying the country. This stuff about Emilie Oldknow asking Tom Watson to delay the expulsion of Livingstone to embarass Corbyn.. fucking why? Fuck it, I'm resigning membership too. Complete waste of space of a party. Worthless.

Ok so based on that it would seem that the clarified position is that the report is worthless because rather than confront any of the underlying issues, all it does is blame anti-Corbyn factions. I had wrongly believed that the report had been written impartially somehow, but if we are instead saying that the pro-Corbynites wrote it to attack the anti-Corbynites then firstly I'm not actually surprised based on what I've seen of them in my own discussions, and secondly they're just wasting everyone's time and refusing to take this seriously. They're not in power now so I had hoped the party would be able to draw a line under it but his final tweet says that Labour has been institutionally antisemitic even before Corbyn, which doesn't give me any hope that much will change. I'm close to thinking the party should disband. This feuding is going to drag on and on, and will only fuck us over next time as well. The Corbynite zealots are as blind as the Brexiteers. Utterly hopeless. They're not even principled, just another group obsessed with winning the argument..

100% this is where I am.

They seem pretty left wing though. An example of what I was saying a few days ago, Biden is never going to appeal to them and we shouldn't expect them to vote for him any more than we expect LDs and Greens to vote Labour. But does it matter in the end? These guys presumably never voted for Obama either.

Absolutely, if anything, that extra 40% would have slowed our response down. Hospital staff wouldn't have been able to move for it getting in the way.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/revealed-value-of-uk-pandemic-stockpile-fell-by-40-in-six-years 40% reduction in PPE stockpiles in the 6 years leading up to the pandemic. Nothing surprising here of course, but idk, felt worth mentioning.

That'll work with the Daily Mail readers though. "Benefit scroungers, immigrants, millenials and remainers all got together to collectively flout the lockdown" a source says.

I don't think it's necessarily about it being squeaky clean so much as having so many Corbyn hating factionalists making shit up and fucking over the process that the eventual report was basically worthless. That's my take from it anyway.

Me too FWIW. I've been arguing with them all afternoon in one of the Labour groups I'm part of. But ok. I'm trying to shut up about Corbyn anyway, but was depressed by that article a bit.

I mean that's delusional. There's no way anyone from Labour could have been PM with Brexit hanging over them.

You consider this to be why Corbyn is a cunt, correct? So by the same token then, I will assume you consider the factions opposed to him within the party and deliberately undermining the leadership, were also a pack of cunts. If so, then we're in agreement.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-antisemitism-investigation-will-not-be-sent-to-equality-commission-11972071?fbclid=IwAR0PlWFBYDPGsjpCGOWQaTnyBWFGMlM1AQ6kRF-So5bhmHv95uroydfBjLI The 860-page report, seen by Sky News, concluded factional hostility towards Jeremy Corbyn amongst former senior officials contributed to "a litany of mistakes" that hindered the effective handling of the issue. The investigation, which was completed in the last month of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, claims to have found "no evidence" of antisemitism complaints being treated differently to other forms of complaint, or of current or former staff being "motivated by antisemitic intent". So we can take from this that there were indeed people in the party weaponising the issue against the leadership, at a time when we really needed everyone on the same page. These people presumably didn't care about Brexit, the NHS, the country. Just power.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/04/09/frenchman_ejected_fighter_jet_retirement_jolly/ French pensioner accidentally self ejects out of a fighter jet in midflight.

If he's worse than Trump, it'll matter. The right always gets a freer pass in these things.

That seems a safe bet based on the primaries. At least for older black voters who are more likely to vote anyway. I think they're so close in polling that the campaigning period will actually matter. Is Biden a good campaigner/debater?

I don't, I still think he's going to lose. Just not because of Sanders anymore.

He won't indeed but there'll always be someone else on that front. AOC will age in eventually. Ultimately I don't think the Sanders voters are going to ruin this now I've looked at some of the research, but that doesn't mean Biden just gets a straight run. Seems he'll win or lose by fighting Trump for the centrists.

Apologies if this has already been posted. I'm almost sure it will have been since the article is over a week old but i couldn't believe I hadn't seen it. Operation Cygnus - a 2016 government pandemic testing drill which revealed that the NHS was woefully underprepared, that we would run out of ventilators, would have insufficient PPE, and that people would ignore government warnings. The government refused to publish it because it was "too terrifying" and then apparently failed to act on it whatsoever. At what point has the government actually committed some kind of crime - and I appreciate that the report is pre-Johnson, but seriously, whoever didn't act on this report has absolutely killed people through negligence. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/28/exercise-cygnus-uncovered-pandemic-warnings-buried-government/

I haven't but it sounds like a good watch. I'll check it out.

I agree but it seems that we need to let the establishment prove itself again first. Biden gets in, if he makes everything great again and the world settles down then that works for me, ultimately. If he gets in and the world doesn't settle, the US doesn't settle, then I think we have to conclude that the traditional centreground is a busted flush. Same for Starmer over here next time out (although he's not actually a centrist, but for one reason or another, the centrists seem to think he is).