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That's fair enough, would indeed make sense.

And they are definitely substantially involved? Why do they need the Reubens?

Do we actually know that this is a Man City moment? I don't think we're that lucky. I mean I'm fine with us just losing Ashley, that's enough for me, but if the signs are there that it's more than that, it's going to be pretty special.

I find myself rather indifferent to the Saudi money issue. I suspect all of our political leaders would behave the same if given the chance anyway. Happy to just see the back of Ashley. I'd just about take Satan at this point.

Is this actually happening? Where's @247? He shoots it down every time it comes up.

Absolutely right. Although I'm worried for Starmer on that front too.

I did leave the party in January 2019 as a protest over Brexit - I sent a long, pointless email that no one ever replied to, explaining my reasons. Then I rejoined when they came up with a Brexit plan that made sense to me. Happy?

Consider me defeated, I guess.

It's going to achieve nothing whatsoever. I just can't do it anymore though.

I decided to wait until the leadership election and tbh I've just not really through about it in recent weeks - I had basically committed to it so this additional claim is meaningless I guess, but if I hadn't already decided to this would have broken me all over again. I'm now convinced that Corbyn was willfully ignoring this chaos for factional reasons. I'm also convinced that we never stood a chance while this was going on. I've just seen a transcript of senior party officials lamenting that we won Kensington in 2017. What's the point anymore man. It's two political parties trying to pretend they're just one.

Having said that, if some of the things the pro-Corbynites have claimed are true then honestly both sides are about as bad as each other. They've been fucking feuding while the Tories have been destroying the country. This stuff about Emilie Oldknow asking Tom Watson to delay the expulsion of Livingstone to embarass Corbyn.. fucking why? Fuck it, I'm resigning membership too. Complete waste of space of a party. Worthless.

Ok so based on that it would seem that the clarified position is that the report is worthless because rather than confront any of the underlying issues, all it does is blame anti-Corbyn factions. I had wrongly believed that the report had been written impartially somehow, but if we are instead saying that the pro-Corbynites wrote it to attack the anti-Corbynites then firstly I'm not actually surprised based on what I've seen of them in my own discussions, and secondly they're just wasting everyone's time and refusing to take this seriously. They're not in power now so I had hoped the party would be able to draw a line under it but his final tweet says that Labour has been institutionally antisemitic even before Corbyn, which doesn't give me any hope that much will change. I'm close to thinking the party should disband. This feuding is going to drag on and on, and will only fuck us over next time as well. The Corbynite zealots are as blind as the Brexiteers. Utterly hopeless. They're not even principled, just another group obsessed with winning the argument..

100% this is where I am.

They seem pretty left wing though. An example of what I was saying a few days ago, Biden is never going to appeal to them and we shouldn't expect them to vote for him any more than we expect LDs and Greens to vote Labour. But does it matter in the end? These guys presumably never voted for Obama either.

Absolutely, if anything, that extra 40% would have slowed our response down. Hospital staff wouldn't have been able to move for it getting in the way.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/revealed-value-of-uk-pandemic-stockpile-fell-by-40-in-six-years 40% reduction in PPE stockpiles in the 6 years leading up to the pandemic. Nothing surprising here of course, but idk, felt worth mentioning.

That'll work with the Daily Mail readers though. "Benefit scroungers, immigrants, millenials and remainers all got together to collectively flout the lockdown" a source says.

I don't think it's necessarily about it being squeaky clean so much as having so many Corbyn hating factionalists making shit up and fucking over the process that the eventual report was basically worthless. That's my take from it anyway.

Me too FWIW. I've been arguing with them all afternoon in one of the Labour groups I'm part of. But ok. I'm trying to shut up about Corbyn anyway, but was depressed by that article a bit.

I mean that's delusional. There's no way anyone from Labour could have been PM with Brexit hanging over them.

You consider this to be why Corbyn is a cunt, correct? So by the same token then, I will assume you consider the factions opposed to him within the party and deliberately undermining the leadership, were also a pack of cunts. If so, then we're in agreement.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-antisemitism-investigation-will-not-be-sent-to-equality-commission-11972071?fbclid=IwAR0PlWFBYDPGsjpCGOWQaTnyBWFGMlM1AQ6kRF-So5bhmHv95uroydfBjLI The 860-page report, seen by Sky News, concluded factional hostility towards Jeremy Corbyn amongst former senior officials contributed to "a litany of mistakes" that hindered the effective handling of the issue. The investigation, which was completed in the last month of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, claims to have found "no evidence" of antisemitism complaints being treated differently to other forms of complaint, or of current or former staff being "motivated by antisemitic intent". So we can take from this that there were indeed people in the party weaponising the issue against the leadership, at a time when we really needed everyone on the same page. These people presumably didn't care about Brexit, the NHS, the country. Just power.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/04/09/frenchman_ejected_fighter_jet_retirement_jolly/ French pensioner accidentally self ejects out of a fighter jet in midflight.

If he's worse than Trump, it'll matter. The right always gets a freer pass in these things.

That seems a safe bet based on the primaries. At least for older black voters who are more likely to vote anyway. I think they're so close in polling that the campaigning period will actually matter. Is Biden a good campaigner/debater?