Rayvin

Should Labour be winning this? The press are treating it like a fairly bad thing for Starmer but I'm not convinced it's very meaningful.

"Nothing matters anymore" It's true. Until we start educating people at school on civics, we're going to continue having large numbers of people being indifferent to this stuff.

What is it that you think Labour should do to appeal to the electorate? It's reading very much like your view is that they should sit down and shut up, but I'm not sure that's going to turn the tide on this. I think Starmer is playing this badly firstly because he's chasing after a demographic that isn't listening to him, and secondly because he's alienating leftwingers and remainers who were already on side. So all he's done is make a bad situation worse. I think we're getting close to the point where he becomes a busted flush and needs to resign - unless his strategy suddenly starts paying off.

I meant more widely than that but you're not wrong really. For his valid criticism to be taken seriously he actually needs people to be listening. Tbh he might be best giving up midway through the term to allow someone new to come in. That way he has taken the sting out of the Corbyn legacy and given his successor something to run at.

I really don't think this strategy for Labour is working.

Yeah so that's my lesson learned on reading the post before the quoted text

All these people who talk about stability and so on, what do they think the sport is actually about? Because it really seems that for some of them, it really isn't about being competitive and improving. I mean ok Steve Howey, we're stable but... so? How is being 'stable' any better than being relegated in the overall scheme of things? Not sure I can see much difference between perpetual 17th and yoyoing between the Championship and the PL. You could in fact argue that the latter would be more satisfying.

Looks like the playoffs after a pretty shocking run of form. I reckon they might make it this time tbh, the teams around them all seem to be wobbling as well. Still can't believe this is their third season down there.

I think Sunak will go for it but honestly I think it'll be Gove. He'll have the Mail behind him, inevitably.

It was always going to end like this with Cummings and I'm actually fairly surprised it's taken as long as it has. I suspect he's got far more in his arsenal too. That is, however, a fantastically callous thing for the Prime Minister to say. It's almost unbelievable in fact, as it paints Johnson as a complete psychopath. If I was one of the people who believes he's a harmless buffoon, I'm not sure I'd swallow that.

I'm sure they actively overlooked better options as well. It wasn't strategic desperation, it was corruption.

No more a fan of Edwards than anyone else on here, but I can't see how or why that takeover would happen now. Would they really just have sat on their hands for the past year? Is there any evidence at all that it's still in the pipeline?

I can assist too.

The European Super League and Scottish Independence thread. That's how we roll on TT.

I'll be impressed if they're sanctioned at all. Pleasantly surprised with how this has gone though - the collapse of it has probably demonstrated that for all the bluster, these 6 teams do need the PL more than the PL needs them - at least that seems to be the position we're in at the moment. Whether Masters called their bluff or they failed to call his, I don't know.

Wonder if Charnley will bother himself to make a statement, or will just wait to see what the others write and copy and paste bits of what everyone else says.

I suspect all 14 of the clubs will be primarily motivated by the financial aspects of this, and will weigh up whether the damage from kicking the 6 "big" clubs out of the league will be greater or worse than letting it run on like this. Only the fans care about the sporting competitiveness of the league. The PL only care about their money and brand, the FA only care because they're paid to, the government only care because they think there's votes in it. As much as I'd love everyone involved to grow a pair and tell them to sling their collective hooks, I can't see it.

And the fact that 'the money' was one of the key reasons to leave prior to the vote.

Based on the above:

A boost to the LDs has to be a Remainer issue. Greens potentially also, frankly, just from the other side of the Labour spectrum. The Tories having taken some more of Labour is a bit fucking weird but there we are I guess. Those numbers are on par with Corbyn iirc.

I'll stress I'd be perfectly happy with a national anthem that didn't push a single person's life over and above everyone else's.

Was just surveyed by YouGov. "Do you like, love, dislike, hate the British national anthem?" "Do you own a union jack flag or something that displays it" "Do you think government buildings should fly the flag every day?" What the fuck is this country on? And for the record, my answers: 1 - Hate it 2 - No 3 - No

I think "hope" is probably the problem. Some people are too far gone. Understandably, tbh.

I suspect Labour will just about hold on and are making noises like this in order to shore up turnout. If they lose it'll be a clusterfuck though.

I mean, that's what you're asking for though - Biden was completely the same. Yeah he seems to have a bit of life in him now, but pre-election he was aiming to be as bland as possible. Starmer is literally doing what you and these journalists are saying he should be.