Rayvin

I don't...? I'm just saying that he's not a coward. And that our views on that GE result have changed markedly over time, I think to confirm our biases personally, but with a significant dose of Brexit related fury thrown in.

I don't know about that tbh, I think the cloud of Brexit made it a certainty for the Tories. But having said that, like what? I'm struggling to think of anything he said that would have lost him votes apart from the stuff about nuclear bombs (which he did compromise on).

I am as well, although I'm starting to hit apathy. But he did almost take control of parliament by sticking to his guns. At the time, we thought that was a huge victory. Over time we've reduced the role Corbyn played in that and increased the role the Tories being fucking stupid played in it. But he did come fucking close to sinking them. Closer than Miliband. (Renton incoming)

Well, I try. How is he hiding behind purported principles though?

I doubt you've missed it, although I daresay that Corbyn has raised policing cuts with the government on many occasions since that's well within his ideological comfort zone. The issue really, as we've identified before, is that he simply can't whip up the media into a frenzy about any of it - so he may as well not be saying a damn thing. I still don't think he's a coward though. Or if he is, I'd like to know how? It's kind of the same thing people say about terrorists - that their devotion to their principles somehow makes them cowardly. They're wrong in what they do, and clearly committing acts of evil, but blowing yourself up for a cause sure as shit isn't cowardly. Corbyn sticking to his guns despite everything can be called stupid, intransigent, and strategically useless to the point of being counter productive... but I don't think it's cowardly.

Aye but that's just a sweet spot for the Mail. They'd have a police state if they could, so attacking the government over policing cuts is a bread and butter topic for them. This violent crime wave stuff really does seem to be hitting the Tories hard now though. In fact, in a non-Brexit alternate universe it would probably be the main focal point of political discourse right now.

I wonder if what is happening to Villa would have happened to us if we hadn't gone up..

If what Renton has said is true then he isn't a coward or lacking in vision. He's just got a different vision to us and appears to be determined to see it through. The vision itself is monumentally stupid though, so I agree on the 'thick' part.

It's hard to imagine that the Labour team hasn't sat down and actually realised this as a collective though. It must just be something they're saying because they think it puts pressure on the government. It's still a fucking pathetic strategy though.

That is staggering This cannot happen, clearly. No one will let this happen. It would be an unmitigated disaster.

It's better but if you played the wii u one then don't bother IMO. Not enough difference and I've barely touched it really.

All sides of the political divide should be able to laugh at themselves tbh. Rest assured though, as the forum's leading Corbynite (allegedly) I don't give a fuck

David Davis is an absolute charlatan

She's probably being cloned as we speak.

I think the IRA should get behind this tbh - if Brexit goes through as shambolically as it appears to be, it'll get them a united Ireland within 10-15 years anyway.

What a mess. I bet Davis thought of this himself...

That sounds a lot like regulatory divergence to me. Also, are businesses in Northern Ireland going to be able to cope with meeting two different kinds of regulation? Feels like they will be demanding subsidies for that. Even if the UK and the EU effectively ascribe to the same regulatory principles, costs will be associated with the businesses involved in some form.

The shafting we are going to get from the Americans will be talked about for fucking generations IMO. Maybe Trump has done us a favour by declaring a trade war with the EU though, it might make people wake up to the notion that the UK has no chance whatsoever of getting a mutually beneficial trade deal with the US. If we were fucking inside of the EU, we would have a far stronger hand in this - something most of us have been saying since this all became an issue. Collective power is the only hope we have, we simply cannot compete with economies the size of China and the US. And frankly, even I have enough 'patriotic sentiments' to not want to see the once great UK bent over and fucked senseless by the USA.

Nice to see they've replicated an actual matchday attendance for him there.

It's not her writing the article tbf, but her basic premise is that women should be believed in cases of rape without due process of evidence, but that this should be mitigated by reducing the sentence to 200 hours community service (since most rapes aren't violent), and possibly an enforced branding of the rapist with an "r" tattoo on their wrist. She goes on to say that rape isn't actually a violent crime in most cases. I think this is co-opting the notion that rape has become any act of sex where the woman isn't aggressively screaming "yes, take me now". Either way, I await the Guardian response

Indeed. Though he is being interviewed by a woman! And he isn't white. Frankly I (obviously) think this sort of assessment of the state of the left is long overdue, and have been bleating about it for years now. We need a unifying message to rally behind, not a divisive one. We could work on the 'intersectional' problems in society once we actually have power.

And just cos I'm on a roll, here is an article from the Intercept about how Identity Politics divides the left: “The framework of identity reduces politics to who you are as an individual and gaining recognition as an individual, rather than your membership in a collectivity and the collective struggle against an oppressive social structure,” Haider writes. “As a result, identity politics paradoxically ends up reinforcing the very norms it set out to criticize.” https://theintercept.com/2018/05/27/identity-politics-book-asad-haider/

Germaine Greer I really hope she isn't on Twitter, for her sake: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/30/germaine-greer-calls-for-punishment-for-to-be-reduced The Guardian will be beside itself with this. " She questioned a statistic which said that 70% of rape victims had suffered post-traumatic stress disorder compared with 20% of conflict veterans. “What the hell are you saying? Something that leaves no sign, no injury, no nothing is more damaging to a woman than seeing your best friend blown up by an IED is to a veteran?”!

Really good deal. £36m to go...