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I hope your not suggesting Patrick Moore is the king of all geeks. 39781[/snapback] Why like, are you staking a claim? 39783[/snapback] Ok, let's see. I have an interest in computer games, diesel locomotives, football, astronomy, science fiction, internet message boards, bird watching, and hill walking. Oh fuck.

I hope your not suggesting Patrick Moore is the king of all geeks.

Cool. He's the official spokesperson for that generation then is he? My grandad was in the navy and was deployed to deal with the allied assistance after Hiroshima. He can't talk about things like that-literally, you can't ask him those sorts of questions. Not that he's a spokesperson for his generation either but you get my point. 39736[/snapback] I'm not sure I do get your point. Are we to ban things because they might offend some individuals - that's the bottom line, surely? I think I know your online persona well enough to know you don't think this. Therefore I conclude you just find the concept of these games personally a bit distasteful, and you are dismissive of video games as an art form. Am I right in my thinking? 39744[/snapback] Mate, I've answered the second point already if you scroll back. I don't like video games generally cos i get no enjoyment from them but thats not what's informing my opinions and to be honest theres nothing I've said to have given you that impression. If thats what you think then it's based on a false premise. It's just convenient to your argument to say that. And as for banning anything thats offensive-no I don't think that obviously. I said I found them a bit sick-which is my opinion. You'll also note that I said that if you enjoy them then thats okay. Whats happening here is that you're having a problem with my opinion of what you find enjoyable and you're struggling to justify your enjoyment of it. You've made your case mate and I accept what youre saying. When you start attributing viewpoints to me which I dont hold though, then thats probably where the discussion should end. Start going round in circles then. 39750[/snapback] Fair enough, I respect yourviewpoint. I'm not struggling to justify my enjoyment of CoD though, I literally see nothing wrong in it whatsoever. I fully respect what the veterans have done as well, and, in a way, the freedom to play games like this is ironically all down to them. 39763[/snapback] You've certainly left me under no illusion that you think it's a kick ass game, soldier! 39770[/snapback] In reality, its just above average, but is too scripted for my liking. And despite how I come across in this thread, I'm not really that much into playing games any more. I'm just in the mood for a good argument!

To be fair Manc Mag, I think you are misrepresenting me. Scroll up a few replies up, and I think you'll find that I said I know your online persona well enough to know that you don't want to ban this game. Just thought I'd clear that up.

You were offended when I jokingly suggested that you'd be gutted if we won the league. In fact I reckon you cried. 39760[/snapback] True. Apart from the crying bit. Oh, and it was coming 4th too, I think.

Cool. He's the official spokesperson for that generation then is he? My grandad was in the navy and was deployed to deal with the allied assistance after Hiroshima. He can't talk about things like that-literally, you can't ask him those sorts of questions. Not that he's a spokesperson for his generation either but you get my point. 39736[/snapback] I'm not sure I do get your point. Are we to ban things because they might offend some individuals - that's the bottom line, surely? I think I know your online persona well enough to know you don't think this. Therefore I conclude you just find the concept of these games personally a bit distasteful, and you are dismissive of video games as an art form. Am I right in my thinking? 39744[/snapback] Mate, I've answered the second point already if you scroll back. I don't like video games generally cos i get no enjoyment from them but thats not what's informing my opinions and to be honest theres nothing I've said to have given you that impression. If thats what you think then it's based on a false premise. It's just convenient to your argument to say that. And as for banning anything thats offensive-no I don't think that obviously. I said I found them a bit sick-which is my opinion. You'll also note that I said that if you enjoy them then thats okay. Whats happening here is that you're having a problem with my opinion of what you find enjoyable and you're struggling to justify your enjoyment of it. You've made your case mate and I accept what youre saying. When you start attributing viewpoints to me which I dont hold though, then thats probably where the discussion should end. Start going round in circles then. 39750[/snapback] Fair enough, I respect yourviewpoint. I'm not struggling to justify my enjoyment of CoD though, I literally see nothing wrong in it whatsoever. I fully respect what the veterans have done as well, and, in a way, the freedom to play games like this is ironically all down to them.

I don't think I can recall being offended by anything, ever. Films, books, porn, games, nothing really bothers me. Obviously there is plenty of sick stuff out there that would, but I don't try and actively seek it out, so I'm OK. Oh, and things like Richard Littlejohn don't count either.

The standard of N-O has gone right down since I stopped posting. Can't be arsed with it now, at least people speak English on this board, even if it does get a bit quiet.

Cool. He's the official spokesperson for that generation then is he? My grandad was in the navy and was deployed to deal with the allied assistance after Hiroshima. He can't talk about things like that-literally, you can't ask him those sorts of questions. Not that he's a spokesperson for his generation either but you get my point. 39736[/snapback] I'm not sure I do get your point. Are we to ban things because they might offend some individuals - that's the bottom line, surely? I think I know your online persona well enough to know you don't think this. Therefore I conclude you just find the concept of these games personally a bit distasteful, and you are dismissive of video games as an art form. Am I right in my thinking?

I used the "Don't quote me on that" button.

Oh aye yeah, you might be right. Anyways I think the one thats based on actual battles is a bit sick tbh, seeing as theres ex-servicemen still alive and all that. If that was me and I'd lost mates I'd be devo'd if I saw my grandson and his mates playing that with retarded grins on their faces. 39655[/snapback] Ban it along with Saving Private Ryan tbh. 39659[/snapback] I thought that was actually quite good in it's treatment of war and the devastating effects it can have on it's participants. A good anti war film tbh. 39662[/snapback] Yeah it was good and made you think. As did both CoD and MoH when I played them. 39669[/snapback] Are you having a laugh? What did they make you think of? What next - Invasion of Basra on Playstation 2? 39673[/snapback] About how terrible war is, in much the same way as SPR did. What's the difference? Have you actually played these games - they are very well done and pretty tasteful - there's also almost no gore. Compared to GTA, they are harmless and even educating. Not that I have a problem with GTA either like. 39680[/snapback] I dont play computer games generally. It's bad for the complexion. And regardless of the absence of gore (which I dont necesarily accept to be a good thing because war tends to be very 'gorey'), I just think that it trivializes what the participants experienced. Which was a living hell. If you like the game though then thats one good thing I s'pose. 39691[/snapback] I'm surprised at your attitude a bit, and I think you're wrong. It doesn't trivialise the war a bit imo, like I said, it is well done and gives you plenty of facts about what happened. Interesting question though I suppose - at what point can horrific events in the past be used as entertainment, and is this different for the mediums of literature, films, and computer games? If so, why? Hmmmm. 39700[/snapback] I think you're trying to justify your enjoyment of it tbh, which is fine, but doesnt make for great argument. In answer to your second point I actually think it's very simple-when it no longer affects living people in the way that I've mentioned. After that then I think it's a different ball game. Not that I'd be arsed to play it mind you. 39709[/snapback] But its interesting you think games are a special exception and this doesn't apply to books or films. Tbh, I think it is because you don't value games as an art form, which, ahem, I think is pretty ignorant!

You've formed an opinion on it without even playing it 39708[/snapback] I'm against paedophilia too. As is the Daily Mail. 39711[/snapback] I think we can safely say that having an opinion that paedophilia is wrong without trying it is not the same as thinking a game is wrong without playing it! Weird. Have I stumbled into some alternative reality toontastic board?

So you're in favour of banning things minority groups (whoever they might be) don't like? Interesting.

I can see it pissing off Germans mind, but then most war films must do that.

Oh aye yeah, you might be right. Anyways I think the one thats based on actual battles is a bit sick tbh, seeing as theres ex-servicemen still alive and all that. If that was me and I'd lost mates I'd be devo'd if I saw my grandson and his mates playing that with retarded grins on their faces. 39655[/snapback] Ban it along with Saving Private Ryan tbh. 39659[/snapback] I thought that was actually quite good in it's treatment of war and the devastating effects it can have on it's participants. A good anti war film tbh. 39662[/snapback] Yeah it was good and made you think. As did both CoD and MoH when I played them. 39669[/snapback] Are you having a laugh? What did they make you think of? What next - Invasion of Basra on Playstation 2? 39673[/snapback] About how terrible war is, in much the same way as SPR did. What's the difference? Have you actually played these games - they are very well done and pretty tasteful - there's also almost no gore. Compared to GTA, they are harmless and even educating. Not that I have a problem with GTA either like. 39680[/snapback] I dont play computer games generally. It's bad for the complexion. And regardless of the absence of gore (which I dont necesarily accept to be a good thing because war tends to be very 'gorey'), I just think that it trivializes what the participants experienced. Which was a living hell. If you like the game though then thats one good thing I s'pose. 39691[/snapback] I'm surprised at your attitude a bit, and I think you're wrong. It doesn't trivialise the war a bit imo, like I said, it is well done and gives you plenty of facts about what happened. Interesting question though I suppose - at what point can horrific events in the past be used as entertainment, and is this different for the mediums of literature, films, and computer games? If so, why? Hmmmm.

Well perhaps you'd like to share with us what this world of difference is? Besides, I don't think it is very likely that very mant veterans will be playing this stuff, do you?

Oh aye yeah, you might be right. Anyways I think the one thats based on actual battles is a bit sick tbh, seeing as theres ex-servicemen still alive and all that. If that was me and I'd lost mates I'd be devo'd if I saw my grandson and his mates playing that with retarded grins on their faces. 39655[/snapback] Ban it along with Saving Private Ryan tbh. 39659[/snapback] I thought that was actually quite good in it's treatment of war and the devastating effects it can have on it's participants. A good anti war film tbh. 39662[/snapback] Yeah it was good and made you think. As did both CoD and MoH when I played them. 39669[/snapback] Are you having a laugh? What did they make you think of? What next - Invasion of Basra on Playstation 2? 39673[/snapback] About how terrible war is, in much the same way as SPR did. What's the difference? Have you actually played these games - they are very well done and pretty tasteful - there's also almost no gore. Compared to GTA, they are harmless and even educating. Not that I have a problem with GTA either like.

Oh aye yeah, you might be right. Anyways I think the one thats based on actual battles is a bit sick tbh, seeing as theres ex-servicemen still alive and all that. If that was me and I'd lost mates I'd be devo'd if I saw my grandson and his mates playing that with retarded grins on their faces. 39655[/snapback] Loosely based. 39666[/snapback] It would be pretty hard to have an interactive game that was based exactly on events as they happened in a Second World War battle though 39667[/snapback] I believe there is a game based on the present Iraq conflict that is based exactly on ongoing real-life events - can't remember what it's called, but I can see why that is controversial. Nothing wrong with CoD though imo.

Oh aye yeah, you might be right. Anyways I think the one thats based on actual battles is a bit sick tbh, seeing as theres ex-servicemen still alive and all that. If that was me and I'd lost mates I'd be devo'd if I saw my grandson and his mates playing that with retarded grins on their faces. 39655[/snapback] Ban it along with Saving Private Ryan tbh. 39659[/snapback] I thought that was actually quite good in it's treatment of war and the devastating effects it can have on it's participants. A good anti war film tbh. 39662[/snapback] Yeah it was good and made you think. As did both CoD and MoH when I played them.

Oh aye yeah, you might be right. Anyways I think the one thats based on actual battles is a bit sick tbh, seeing as theres ex-servicemen still alive and all that. If that was me and I'd lost mates I'd be devo'd if I saw my grandson and his mates playing that with retarded grins on their faces. 39655[/snapback] Ban it along with Saving Private Ryan tbh.

When I was kid I had a soft spot for Rangers. Then I reached double figures in age and grew up, then knowing how bloody ridiculous it is to support a team because of religion. Sadly, that doesnt appear to be the case with all too many. I think it started with my mate who went to a catholic school being almost kicked out because he wore a Rangers scarf to school once. I mean - have you ever heard anything so f****** unbelieveable and pathetic ? At my school (Benfield Rd) you could just about walk around covered in Celtic scarves and no bugger would have said a thing - laughed, mind yes. But not went to the insane extremes of St Augustines. 39484[/snapback] Thing is, its not all about religious hatred, for most its just about supporting their team, just like any other city. True, there are a sizable proportion of people who bring the religion bollocks into it, but this is by no means universal. Ask yourself the question, if you were from Glasgow, who would you support? Probably not Partick..... The way some people get worked up on here about the religious hate in Glasgow is quite funny really. In my experience it is no worse than the local hate shown between us and the mackems. For instance, I bet I could wear a hooped top safely in 80% of the bars in Glasgow, if I wore black and white stripes in Sunderland I'd get chinned for sure.

Sounds like Sean Connery to me.

Hmm, now why would a Rangers fan pick a username that was invented by Celtic fans to take the piss out of Souness? As for the questions, I would have to say the Broons because of Maggie.

I noticed you were very quiet today when he was posting....

Of course he's a wum. I mean it's blatently obvious, isn't it?? Quite funny imo. 39188[/snapback] Lost on Phil like 39190[/snapback] Well. You're easily amused. 39192[/snapback] If you look down the forum you'll see a few posts started by Souness is God. Read them and draw your own conclusions.