Renton

"Sophie" is probably a morbidly obese 60 year old hag.

Whether it's factual or not the story keeps surfacing and keeps going round and round with new studies etc etc. As a parent with a child who did get his MMR 13 years ago when they used the alleged mercury based preservative it's kind of hard for me to sit back and say it's disinformation when my son has an autism like syndrome. PDD-NOS- lovely frustrating condition that it is. Had I known then what I know now regarding that I might have just turned down the MMR jab. It's a great thing wondering if you were directly at fault for your child's condition. 113995[/snapback] Wakefield's research has been completely discredited and he has been exposed as a charlatan. Even his co-authors have dis-associated themselves from it. He was set to financially profit from his research by owning the patent on a single measle vaccine. There have now been literally dozens of observational studies performed which have failed to demonstate any link whatsoever with MMR and autism or bowel complaints (the mercury compounds that were previously used are a different matter, but this wasn't the purpose of Wakefield's research). The actions of Wakefield have very probably resulted in children dying or being seriously handicapped, as is seen here. I'm very sorry to hear about your son, but you raise another interesting point about, which for me illustrates another more subtle way Wakefield's research has been damaging. Parents of children affected with these conditions often now think that there is something different they could have done, that they are somehow responsible. This is so wrong imo, sometimes illnesses just happen and there is nothing to do to stop them, and perhaps we just have to accept it. What could you have done differently? How will the parents of this child who has died feel now after refusing the MMR jab? Anyway, I hope I haven't offended you in any way as I quite often seem to on this forum about controversial points. You probably have done more research than me on the subject if you're affected by it too, so I'll not say any more on the subject, but good luck.

I'm taking no lessons on quick replies from Mr. 3496 Posts over there. 113969[/snapback] I'm embarassed. How do I get a post reset?

You answered that in 5 minutes. Jesus wept, take it to PM!

I think I heard him. Was he sat towards the aisle in your row (you're in J, right?)? Wasn't convinced I was hearing what I was hearing but you've just confirmed it. 113630[/snapback] Aye I'm row J, he was literally 2 seats along from me. Quite often makes the odd comment against Ameobi/Faye but was much more vocal the other day. No fucking need. I used to speak to him occasionally and he used to be alright but now comes out with it far too often.. the stewards did nowt, and yet sprang up the steps two minutes later when the bloke next to him lit a cigarette. 113946[/snapback] In 5 years of smoking at the match I've not been told I couldn't once. Is that a rule? They can obviously tell I'm a reet hard case and wouldn't dare say a word. 113959[/snapback] It's a voluntary ban at the minute, the stewards can't stop you smoking. However, next season it will be an outright ban I would think. Ars imo.

Source Rob? Couldn't find it on the beeb. Mind, don't get me started on the MMR vacination. Wakefield should be hung up by his bollocks along with the journalists that spread his disinformation. Edit: sorry, found it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4871728.stm

Parker was box to box allegedly at Charlton. Neither score enough goals though, not for us so far anyway.

Haven't seen the smoking gun celebration at SJP for a while, mainly because the bling brigade have been booted out or those that remain never score, I guess. Mind, to give Shola some credit he was in no fit state to celebrate after scoring on Saturday! 113849[/snapback] Shola had a canny game on Saturday I thought 113859[/snapback] So did I. If it wasn't for Bowyer's contribution, he would have been my MoM. Mind, in a way it pisses me off when you see what they are both capable of and contrat that with how little they usually apply themselves. It's come a bit late for me in both cases. 113862[/snapback] I reckon Bowyer's a lot more capable of doing it on a regular basis than Shola. In fairness to Bowyer how many games has he actually started (especially consecutively) for us in central midfield though? 113866[/snapback] Yeah, a friend pointed out to me he hasn't had much of a chance this season. I have to be honest and say I am never going to warm to the guy though no matter what he does. Which is down to me, not him, admittedly.

Correct.

Ooooooh, you rebel! ...sorry. You just sounded so pleased with yourself. 113867[/snapback] I am, ars.

Indeed. The most pointless bit of extraneous dialogue invented to give stupid people time to think out what they want to say before doing it. Her off the apprentice being the worst offender outside football. 113861[/snapback] I've got a good one which even sounds a bit rude - ars. Hint: Shearer's favourite expression.

Haven't seen the smoking gun celebration at SJP for a while, mainly because the bling brigade have been booted out or those that remain never score, I guess. Mind, to give Shola some credit he was in no fit state to celebrate after scoring on Saturday! 113849[/snapback] Shola had a canny game on Saturday I thought 113859[/snapback] So did I. If it wasn't for Bowyer's contribution, he would have been my MoM. Mind, in a way it pisses me off when you see what they are both capable of and contrat that with how little they usually apply themselves. It's come a bit late for me in both cases.

Is this the lass Mancy was trying to impress by taking her to Zizis? Why the bejeebus did he take her to meet you lot?

Haven't seen the smoking gun celebration at SJP for a while, mainly because the bling brigade have been booted out or those that remain never score, I guess. Mind, to give Shola some credit he was in no fit state to celebrate after scoring on Saturday!

'FWIW' is blatantly gay tbh! 113839[/snapback] I get credit for fwiw. But imho I think we should make good judicious use of all the abbreviations tbh. And we need a pink font colour. Or better still a rainbow coloured one, purple doesn't do it for me.

I haven't. He always wellies it out for a goal kick as far as I've seen. I've never seen him "kick for touch" in a territorial sense and then try to take advantage of the ground gained. Keane was out of order, and as has been pointed out, he only did the decent thing after a good bit of arguing with Shearer about it, and he clearly wasn't happy at having been talked into doing it. Anyone notice that he didn't do his stupid forward roll thing when he scored - that's cos he was scared of me. 113808[/snapback] I love that "celebration", what a twat. Especially when you compare it to Lua Lua's triple back summersaults.

Think you've lost me. Is licking a carpet a reference to rug munchers? As for tarmacking a driveway, wtf?

I read the Times mainly, but I can't be arsed with opinion columns. This is an example why. Stupid bint.

I take your point, but I think me calling my mate a puff in a jokey manner or joking on here with Meenzer is pretty far removed from a crowd of people victimising a lad on a football field. I'm sure they weren't doing it in the hope that Jenas would see the funny side. 113812[/snapback] I agree fwiw. Gemmill and me have been taking the piss out of each other being gay on here for months now, even though its clear neither of us are (well not me anyway, as for Gemmill... ). But it's not malicious. It couldn't be, because I don't even regard it as an insult, just a laugh.

They were "laying into" a pregnant woman. Sorry, but I find that a bit hard to believe.

Did anyone spot Keane refusing to shake Shearer's hand after the incident?

IThat's not really the point though is it?

You don't think "Jenas takes it up the arse" was sang with vitriol, you don't think it was intended to be an insult? Do you think the chants would stop if he came out and admitted he was gay? You can't tell the difference between taking the piss out of someone's race or sexuality and the fact they are tall? I wasn't surprised by some of the posts on N-O as I kind of expect it over there, but I have to say this coming from you surprises me. 113565[/snapback] maybe I didnt put the point forward very well, is it homophobic to state that someone takes it up the arse? what constitutes homophobic chanting? is the following racist? "Shola is black", its quite clear that "Shola is a black ba....." would be racist but Im not sure the first is. Therefore is "JJ takes it up the arse"? If Meenzer was to sing it would that make him homophobic? What are we allowed to take the piss out of these days then? and frankly what makes the abuse of someone being tall or short any less hurtful? can we not sing the likes of "wheres your drunken centre half?" if an alcoholic player is around? Keep going the way we are and soon there will be no banter at matches, players get paid shitloads of money, one of the downsides of this is they have to face thousands of fans who want to see them fail, week in week out. How you live your life shows in how people treat you. If a player was straight but enjoyed taking a phone up their arse would that be ok to rip the piss out of? 113574[/snapback] I agree, and I don't know what the acceptable line is and when it's crossed. However, reading on N-O it's clear a lot of people who think the chant is OK are clearly prejudiced, going on about "unnatural" acts and the like. On the one hand, this type of chant is not going to help homosexual players come out the closet and start being true to themselves (which will have a knock on effect with the general population), but on the other hand banning it is going to make football grounds increasingly sterile. Difficult one. However, I think the chants should at least try and be humourous like the "taxi for Rockshots" one. I did laugh at that.

You don't think "Jenas takes it up the arse" was sang with vitriol, you don't think it was intended to be an insult? Do you think the chants would stop if he came out and admitted he was gay? You can't tell the difference between taking the piss out of someone's race or sexuality and the fact they are tall? I wasn't surprised by some of the posts on N-O as I kind of expect it over there, but I have to say this coming from you surprises me. 113565[/snapback] But REALLY what is the difference, why is someone's physical appearance different in the slagging league than their sexuality ?????? 113568[/snapback] People aren't descriminated against on the basis of their appearance (at least not overtly). They aren't beaten up in the streets because of it, or refused jobs, or murdered. The problem I can see with these chants is that it reinforces prejudice already present in a small minority of idiots who can't cope with people having a different sexuality. I can't see much of a difference between it and racism; using your logic do you think it's OK to insult someone on the basis of their race? But as I said, I am also wary about over-sanitization in the game, and share LuckyPierre's reservations to an extent.

You don't think "Jenas takes it up the arse" was sang with vitriol, you don't think it was intended to be an insult? Do you think the chants would stop if he came out and admitted he was gay? You can't tell the difference between taking the piss out of someone's race or sexuality and the fact they are tall? I wasn't surprised by some of the posts on N-O as I kind of expect it over there, but I have to say this coming from you surprises me.