Gemmill

Drone....cockney solidarity tbh.

Vic's argument, an hour ago.

.....to the Contrary Cave!

There's been an incident just like that in this transfer window. Peterborough were trying to buy a bloke from Dagenham & Redbridge and havd a pre-contract agreement (most likely with some form of down payment made). Then Peterborough sacked their manager and the player had a change of heart and decided he wanted to stay at D&R (was also being linked with a move to a bigger club in the summer). Peterborough chairman was threatening to take it to the courts and as a result, the player did make the move.... egg fucking sactly a point lost on all these fuckers imagine if we had agreed to sell harper or huntington or butt 2 months ago. I'm not saying you shouldn't always have targets in mind, which of course we do, but to go to the lengths of contracting players before you can move them is pointless. The simple fact that only Larson has been dealt with this way illustrates the point. You fucking thick shit. This doesn't support your argument. It's just an example of a bizarre cycle of events. You are a fucking moron Vic, and you're embarrassing yourself with this contrary stance. yet you fail to accept that Larson is a one off event, and that is not how 99% of transfer business is done. A one-off event? Now I know you didn't miss alex's post Vic, because you've already replied to it and tried to move the goalposts again. I hope you don't come across this stupid at uni, Vic. Lego might be as good as it gets for you. not one premiership club in that list. Most of it's fucking scottish clubs FFS. How is that even relevant? You asked for another player that signed during this transfer window for which negotiations were made prior to the window opening. Agreed? I would say a list of players that signed during this transfer window for which negotiations were made prior to the window opening was the very definition of relevant. Is it sinking in?

See that is where you are wrong. The transfer window only restricts when you can actually transfer a player from one club to the next, it doesn't restrict you from negotiations or transfer fees or player contract details! again, name me a player other than Larson where this happened this january???? All these were conducted on 1 January 2007 alone: Ade Akinbiyi [sheff Utd - Burnley] £750,000 Moses Ashikodi [Rangers - Watford] Nominal fee Stephen Black [Kansas City - Montrose] Loan George Boyd [stevenage - Peterborough] £260,000* * Pending - transfer due to be completed 8 January David Forde [Derry City - Cardiff City] Undisclosed Stephen Fraser [Montrose - St Andrews Utd] Loan Michael Fulton [Morton - Largs Thistle] Loan Alan Gilbridge [Morton - Largs Thistle] Loan Morgaro Gomis [Cowdenbeath - Dundee Utd] Nominal fee Stefan Gonet [Morton - Clydebank] Loan Dean Holden [Peterborough - Falkirk] Undisclosed Paul Keegan [st Patrick's Athletic - Motherwell] Undisclosed Michael Kightly [Grays - Wolves] Nominal fee Scott Marshall [unattached - Cowdenbeath] David MacLeod [Morton - Largs Thistle] Loan Neil McCallum [st Johnstone - Alloa] Loan Mark McChrystal [Derry City - Partick] Undisclosed Paul McGowan [Celtic - Morton] Loan Michael McIndoe [barnsley - Wolves] £250,000 Derek McInnes [Millwall - St Johnstone] Undisclosed Trevor Molloy [st Patrick's Athletic - Motherwell] Undisclosed Kevin Moon [st Johnstone - Forfar] Loan Michael Mullen [Queen of the South - Stranraer] Loan Danny Murphy [Cork - Motherwell] Undisclosed Neil Stephen [Peterhead - Montrose] Undisclosed sorry, which one of those players should we have contracted by mid November? He's changing his question again, after he's asked it and been given an answer. Fucking priceless. A follows B follows C, that's how discussionsgo gems. Or do you need the forum special bus to help you along? stop being such a tart and use your words. come on now. Don't be afraid You don't even see it do you? How stupid you look right now.

Captain Contrary.......to the rescue!

There's been an incident just like that in this transfer window. Peterborough were trying to buy a bloke from Dagenham & Redbridge and havd a pre-contract agreement (most likely with some form of down payment made). Then Peterborough sacked their manager and the player had a change of heart and decided he wanted to stay at D&R (was also being linked with a move to a bigger club in the summer). Peterborough chairman was threatening to take it to the courts and as a result, the player did make the move.... egg fucking sactly a point lost on all these fuckers imagine if we had agreed to sell harper or huntington or butt 2 months ago. I'm not saying you shouldn't always have targets in mind, which of course we do, but to go to the lengths of contracting players before you can move them is pointless. The simple fact that only Larson has been dealt with this way illustrates the point. You fucking thick shit. This doesn't support your argument. It's just an example of a bizarre cycle of events. You are a fucking moron Vic, and you're embarrassing yourself with this contrary stance. yet you fail to accept that Larson is a one off event, and that is not how 99% of transfer business is done. A one-off event? Now I know you didn't miss alex's post Vic, because you've already replied to it and tried to move the goalposts again. I hope you don't come across this stupid at uni, Vic. Lego might be as good as it gets for you.

See that is where you are wrong. The transfer window only restricts when you can actually transfer a player from one club to the next, it doesn't restrict you from negotiations or transfer fees or player contract details! again, name me a player other than Larson where this happened this january???? All these were conducted on 1 January 2007 alone: Ade Akinbiyi [sheff Utd - Burnley] £750,000 Moses Ashikodi [Rangers - Watford] Nominal fee Stephen Black [Kansas City - Montrose] Loan George Boyd [stevenage - Peterborough] £260,000* * Pending - transfer due to be completed 8 January David Forde [Derry City - Cardiff City] Undisclosed Stephen Fraser [Montrose - St Andrews Utd] Loan Michael Fulton [Morton - Largs Thistle] Loan Alan Gilbridge [Morton - Largs Thistle] Loan Morgaro Gomis [Cowdenbeath - Dundee Utd] Nominal fee Stefan Gonet [Morton - Clydebank] Loan Dean Holden [Peterborough - Falkirk] Undisclosed Paul Keegan [st Patrick's Athletic - Motherwell] Undisclosed Michael Kightly [Grays - Wolves] Nominal fee Scott Marshall [unattached - Cowdenbeath] David MacLeod [Morton - Largs Thistle] Loan Neil McCallum [st Johnstone - Alloa] Loan Mark McChrystal [Derry City - Partick] Undisclosed Paul McGowan [Celtic - Morton] Loan Michael McIndoe [barnsley - Wolves] £250,000 Derek McInnes [Millwall - St Johnstone] Undisclosed Trevor Molloy [st Patrick's Athletic - Motherwell] Undisclosed Kevin Moon [st Johnstone - Forfar] Loan Michael Mullen [Queen of the South - Stranraer] Loan Danny Murphy [Cork - Motherwell] Undisclosed Neil Stephen [Peterhead - Montrose] Undisclosed sorry, which one of those players should we have contracted by mid November? He's changing his question again, after he's asked it and been given an answer. Fucking priceless.

people WANT us to be in West Ham's position. The league table doesn't matter as long as you spend each and every window signing half the planet, only to get rid of them at the next, along with your manager This is what I meant in the other thread when I mentioned coming up with silly arguments that make you look stupid, for the sole purpose of being Little Miss Contrary. You're clearly not a stupid bloke so why do you insist on portraying yourself as one? Am I missing something? He's at the bestest university in the known universe man. Or something. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt to see if I could get him to stop being such a dick. you disagree that West Ham's transfer activity is being held up as how we should be doing things? of course the post is a bit over the top, but I would expect most people not to take everything as read, and be able to extract the basic point. However, pedantry seems to be the order of the day for the gemmilator Yes I do. West Ham are paying over the odds for players. No one is advocating that. If you want to make a point why not try making that point specifically instead of going over the top, making a ludicrous assertion, and allowing people to make you look a prick because of it? Just a thought, Vicky baby.

See that is where you are wrong. The transfer window only restricts when you can actually transfer a player from one club to the next, it doesn't restrict you from negotiations or transfer fees or player contract details! again, name me a player other than Larson where this happened this january???? "Ok, so you got me with Larsson, and I did only ask you to come up with one player, thinking I had you all stumped......but I didn't.........but can you name me a player OTHER than Larsson where this happened this January." What a silly tosser.

There's been an incident just like that in this transfer window. Peterborough were trying to buy a bloke from Dagenham & Redbridge and havd a pre-contract agreement (most likely with some form of down payment made). Then Peterborough sacked their manager and the player had a change of heart and decided he wanted to stay at D&R (was also being linked with a move to a bigger club in the summer). Peterborough chairman was threatening to take it to the courts and as a result, the player did make the move.... egg fucking sactly a point lost on all these fuckers imagine if we had agreed to sell harper or huntington or butt 2 months ago. I'm not saying you shouldn't always have targets in mind, which of course we do, but to go to the lengths of contracting players before you can move them is pointless. The simple fact that only Larson has been dealt with this way illustrates the point. You fucking thick shit. This doesn't support your argument. It's just an example of a bizarre cycle of events. You are a fucking moron Vic, and you're embarrassing yourself with this contrary stance.

Probably Roeder that turned down Cole tbh. He's probably the "wrong side of 30" to provide adequate risk-free back-up for 4 months.

people WANT us to be in West Ham's position. The league table doesn't matter as long as you spend each and every window signing half the planet, only to get rid of them at the next, along with your manager This is what I meant in the other thread when I mentioned coming up with silly arguments that make you look stupid, for the sole purpose of being Little Miss Contrary. You're clearly not a stupid bloke so why do you insist on portraying yourself as one? Am I missing something? He's at the bestest university in the known universe man. Or something. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt to see if I could get him to stop being such a dick.

Well yeah, ideally that's the sort of goal they should be setting within the club, but it's another thing for the fans to actually believe it's possible given the current squad and our (in)ability to improve it during transfer windows.

Aye we heard fuck all from Roeder for about 10 days after the summer window shut. Stunned into silence by the state of Bernard when he rocked up at the training ground and asked for a kiddies replica strip.

They must have been fucking desperate.

We need one more striker. Even when Owen and Ameobi are fit (though the latter shouldn't actually be considered). You need four first team strikers. Yep I think we need someone good in the air and strong enough to hold the ball up, if we're looking at a possible champions league place anyway (although I guess it maybe somewhat depends on how well Owen/Martins work together). Assuming Owen comes back as something like the player he was anyway. But we need 2-3 in at the back, and I think an injection of quality into midfield as well. Champions League place? You are kidding right?

people WANT us to be in West Ham's position. The league table doesn't matter as long as you spend each and every window signing half the planet, only to get rid of them at the next, along with your manager This is what I meant in the other thread when I mentioned coming up with silly arguments that make you look stupid, for the sole purpose of being Little Miss Contrary. You're clearly not a stupid bloke so why do you insist on portraying yourself as one?

Who's frowning on him for looking at obscure foreigners?

so you reckon the situation wouldn't change between November and Jan 31? Why is it we have to do everything by December but dealing inside the window is fine for everyone else? And as i've said before, most people are going by what is reported by Anal as to what Roeder has / has not done. Gooch was contacted weeks ago FFS and no-one had a clue Where has dealing inside the window got us? Of course dealing inside the window is fine if you can do it effectively. But planning and negotiating in advance would be a good idea, particularly when you feel like Roeder that the window is too restrictive. Do you think that this second successive window fuck-up is down to bad luck? you think because we don't start enquiring months ago has any bearing on whether a deal goes through on the only day it matters? How about we just send a questionaire out to every club in the world in mid september asking them to list all the players they are willing to sell to NUFC? I think that it stands to reason that negotiating over a period of several months, rather than one month, gives you a greater probability of reaching an agreement on a player. I think that's common sense. Manchester United did it with Henrik Larsson, as you've recently learned. How about you don't make silly irrelevant suggestions about questionnaires? so if Larson had borken his leg on Dec 31st, or his club's manager changed and he decided he wanted to keep him, what happens? where has 'planning' got you then? sure you have in mind potential targets before the window opens, but that's just it. Anyone suggesting Roeder didn't have that is a fucking moron. My point is, until you are in a position to talk terms and sign contracts, what's the fucking point. And then, when it turns out none of your potential deals come off, you are still up shit creek whether you started talking in October or the middle of January. Putting up Larson as an example of how it should be done, when in fact it is the only example of a contract signde before the window, is ludicrous in the extreme, especially when it's a deal we could never have done even if we tried. Just to clarify though, you have now accepted Lasson as an example of a signing that was sewn up before the window open. The rest of your post is gibberish. What is the point in negotiating with a player before you can sign contracts? Have you heard of "agreements in principle"? How about establishing a relationship with the player? From your post you make it sound like seen as various things can still go wrong when you come to signing the player, that that means it's best off to just wait til the window opens before doing anything. Which is fucking idiotic, if you don't mind me saying. (Honestly Vic, why are you being contrary to the point where you're having to put forward arguments that actually make you look really stupid? Step back and think about what you're saying. You are allowed to agree with people you know? You don't have to take the opposing viewpoint on here, and it's especially inadvisable when it leaves you chasing your tail and making silly arguments up to try and defend your increasingly preposterous position.)

None that are good enough by the look of it because we're playing Huntington at left back, who looks out of position and out of his depth. You have to cut the lad a lot of slack though because a) he shouldn't be anywhere near the first team, and b ) he certainly shouldn't be at left back. Bloke two seats along from me last night was ranting about Huntington - at one point he lost the ball, recovered but gave away a corner because of it. There was a ripple of applause for him recovering to get the challenge in. This tit was going "If that was Peter Ramage you'd be fucking going mental at him, but here people are clapping cos he lost his man then gave away a corner. He should be getting bollocked." Yeah, that's the way to treat a kid out of his depth and in the wrong position.

Guaranteed the first Roeder heard of Montella was when it was on the BBC saying he was going to Fulham. I imagine him sat at his desk on deadline day on the BBC transfer update page, hitting F5 and going "D'OH!" everytime another player that he had no idea of the availability of fucks off somewhere else. Obviously his non-F5 hitting hand is holding his phone. And he's standing.

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAK! Wait til the summer mate. July 1st will be your time to shine.

How dare you? Seriously though, Vic was always fine up until a few months ago. Then for some reason I think he just decided to act a contradictory arsehole. Puberty tbh.

I'd rather play badly and win, then play well and lose. No team plays badly and wins in the long run though. It's alright for a short run of games, but in the longer term, if you play badly you will be a long term loser.