TheMoog

At last. Someone has just realised. That's why I want him, and only him, out. Wise is Ashleys man, you wont get rid of Wise without getting rid of Ashley. Maybe, maybe not, but I'd like to think Wise could be forced out with the right approach. Ashley has backed Wise over Keegan to the extent he was celebrating in New York in the aftermath of Keegans celebration. I cant see any way of forcing out Wise Also why I dislike and distrust Fat Cunt

Take a flask

This is the thing that's preying on my mind. How little "success" will be needed to have the fans forgive the club (I say club, I mean board and establishment, but club is shorter (I understand I could have just written that in the beginning, thereby saving me this explanation as well (I'm aware that I'm an idiot))). Will three wins on the bounce, as Fop suggests, placate the masses? Above all else, I want this club, the club I love, to be successful. Of course I'm vehemently opposed tot he way they've treated Keegan and the way they've acted, BUT, if this period of turmoil brings genuine and long lasting "success" I don't think I can hold a grudge. If what they've done results in glory and much needed improvement of the club on and off the pitch... do the ends justify the means? I know this is probably going to piss off a few people, but it's the truth. I'm angry, hurt and upset... but I've also got one eye on the future. Which is exactly why Ashley will get away with using the club as a cash cow, fans cant help supporting the club. Ashley is an asset stripper, a pile em high sell em cheap barrow boy. He has got his cockney spiv mates running the club with one aim only imo - to bleed it dry and then sell it on. Sounds about right.

That's a good question, I'm sure part of every fan craves success for their club but would it feel tainted? If their plan was for Wise to have the final say on all transfers they should have been clear on that from the start, as it is they've made a Legend of our club look like a fool and that doesn't sit well with me at all.

I do agree with you, but the fans don't have to line Ashley's pockets, without an income from the fans he'd have no choice other than to move on - I guess it shows that the only real power fans have is consumer power, which is shakey and unorganised at best. People might not like it and you're right that the majority of other Newcastle fans I've spoken to as well are feeling the same as me but it's whether the fans will stick to a boycott or cave in which worries me, sometimes it's easier to just give in and therein lies the problem.

Wise has probably spoken to us but we just haven't heard him because he's so small...

Not in my eyes, I don't care who comes in. Still, I see this happening as people give in to apathy, Ashley will win eventually and the country will be proven right that Newcastle Utd fans will take any amount of rubbish and be thankful for it. Pathetic. No offence but outside of posting on a message board and intimating that everyone else is going to give in to the current regime, what exactly are you doing in your battle against Ashley. Hehe, I knew someone would ask that. I myself won't be attending any future matches, won't buy any merchandise, won't renew subs linked to the club (ie SkySports and the net radio service), anything that will give money to the club. Sadly I'm not near enough to protest outside the club otherwise I'd be busy with that for match day. Other than that I'm trying to convince people where I am that Ashley's screwed us over and it's not just Keegan bottling it. ... I know, I'm not a season ticket holder (thankfully as things stand) and I'll likely get shot down for it but I have managed to get to a few games in recent years, it doesn't hurt me trying to encourage people does it?

I see what you're saying and I agree to support the team (away from the ground) but anyone coming in is going to be agreeing to be part of the Ashley regime and in my eyes part of the problem. I can't support any part of the managerial setup while Fat Cunt's running the show. Anyone seen supporting the team is going to be seen by the media as supporting Ashley or at the very least accepting the club as it stands. This is what I have a bit of a problem with: the argument about the set up at NUFC. How do we know, for certain, what the set up is and what involvement the manager has with bringing players in?? All we have is Keegan walking out in a huff. Now this could be because he took a hissy fit at not being allowed to buy Henry. If that's the case then who's wrong, Keegan or the set up ??? Who's to say that the set up is wrong?? The only proof will be in the results and the abilities of the players brought in. I haven't been able to see any of the new boys but all I have read from this message board is that they look pretty good. If that's the case then the set up is working, yes??? If the set up proves to be working well, then NUFC will move forward without going into mega debt - surely a win win situation. As I've said before, the problem I see with this set up is that good signings will be poached by the more affluent clubs, meaning NUFC will remain mid-table for evermore. My problem with the hierarchy at sjp is Wise; always has been, always will be. That's all fair enough bud, thing is from what I've seen (without going in to quotes) the club has lied on several occasions recently and I'm less inclined to believe them than I am Keegan. Besides which with Keegan onboard there was a genuine feeling of excitement and that we were all in this together, even the players were seemingly loving it again. There's less evidence towards Keegan throwing a hissy fit for not being allowed to bring in players like Henry than there is for Ashley and Wise fucking things up - I won't be happy until the Fat Cunt's out the door.

I see what you're saying and I agree to support the team (away from the ground) but anyone coming in is going to be agreeing to be part of the Ashley regime and in my eyes part of the problem. I can't support any part of the managerial setup while Fat Cunt's running the show. Anyone seen supporting the team is going to be seen by the media as supporting Ashley or at the very least accepting the club as it stands.

See, the bastards are just taking the piss out of the fans and there's fans out there that will take it.

I just wish a few more people could hold out until Ashely is ousted, it wouldn't take long if he though match attendances were going to dwindle.

I think as the week passes though fans following that mind set are becoming less and less, I'm with you though mate.

Sad but true, of course that won't happen though because people don't see the bigger picture, they're just piss and wind.

Had a vote in favour of KK didn't they? Ultimately if the supporters don't co-operate or withhold monies for various things the business starts to fail. He'll get out while he can still get a decent price. I'd love to think that were true but people won't hold out, they'll start buying merchandise and continue to line Fat Cunt's pockets. I'm sure when all is said and done he'll be laughing at the fans of Newcastle Utd like everyone else in the country, the majority have no backbone for a fight.

I can't believe the amount of people who have gone from angry to apathetic and accepting of getting a new manager in in the such a short space of time... Ashley is scum and people are giving in already, I knew it would happen though.

Not in my eyes, I don't care who comes in. Still, I see this happening as people give in to apathy, Ashley will win eventually and the country will be proven right that Newcastle Utd fans will take any amount of rubbish and be thankful for it. Pathetic.

Only the good people will survive the bad one's will get turfed out as we are about to witness. Maybe it could actually be worse under this Indian or the Abu Dhabi lot. Ashleys worth 1.4billion or so, a sustained period of boycott, bad press etc could actually affect his business and make it worth his while to get out. Imagine if Fat Ash had 25billion, he could easily just cast us aside without giving a fuck of the consequences. At this time I'm willing to take that risk... though I can't see anyone buying us out any time soon, face it we're the plaything of Fat Cunt and his London goblins now.

Now yer talking! Sounds a bit scouse to me that...

Ebay ftw

Blame the Halls then. That interview with Sir John Hall after he'd sold up where he went on about only selling to someone he saw as talking Newcastle Utd forward, that the club was in good hands... yeah, cheers for that John.

That's how I see it. I can't help but think that people are already starting to wane in their anger at Ashley, that nothing will come of anyone trying to arrange protests of any sort and that there's no chance of us being bought out any time soon. Basically, we're stuck with a lying, devious regime running the show, a thin squad and anyone coming in on the management side will be yes men and most likely have big links to London. I'm still gutted

Poor old Terry Mac, who the hell's going to put the cones out now?

I have no intention of doing the survey because as soon as sunlun fans get involved the whole exercise will become a joke. See that's the thing, a public survey means that it's open to abuse by other team's fans and so won't give an accurate reflection of the general opinion. I've filled the survey in myself but I don't doubt for every answer I gave there will be some fuckwit from another team making things up to muddy the waters.

Chris Houghton i reckon Its Dick Money, apparently. http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?showtopic=20899 Who?!

To be fair I don't really give a shit which managers we're linked with, if they accept the job working as part of Fat Cunt's regime then they're as bad as Fat Cunt and won't get my backing - I'm just not interested in us getting a new manager at present, I just want Fat Cunt out. FAT CUNT OUT!!!