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You really believe "it's not that offensive"? and therefore acceptable ? If Roeder had lost his wife due to a brain tumor (for example) then yes, it's offensive. How is it offensive when he doesn't actually have a brain tumor anymore? Would you seriously be offended if someone shouted it at you? I am only defending his right to reply. I do not believe because he got better he's fair game. I guess his family who probably went through hell and others who simillarly suffered and then read/hear of the reports will feel OK as well. I'm just curious what makes it acceptable in this day and age of "correctness" As it happens I personally find the Lua Lua issue more personally offensive and hurtful having been there myself but that doesn't effect my opinion of Roeders "right to reply" IMO. And Sima you still haven't answered my question - is it in your opinion acceptable? That's what one of these "?" means, I was asking a question not stating anything

True but I'd like to think we don't sink that low. The point that was made was that Roeder has no right to respond, I just begged to differ on the acceptability of the jibe and his right to respond.

You really believe "it's not that offensive"? and therefore acceptable ?

Yeah, some people haven't been so lucky as to have the opportunity for life saving treatment due to the colour of their skin tbh. Give up, eh? That doesn't even begin to make sense Please explain your logic why Roeder has no right to make comment about the taunting, and therefore by inference why said taunting is acceptable

Slight difference between a cold and a brain tumour To the individual concerned surely a taunt about a serious illness which could have killed them, and any other people within earshot or reading the report who's friends/family have suffered similarly, is deeply offensive and hurtfull. Similarly a taunt about skin colour is deeply offensive, but a taunt about skin colour isn't a taunt about something that could kill you. Both simply show the ignorance of the taunter, and I fail to see any lesser offence in either ahahahahahahahahaahaaahaaaa seriously, what? Last I heard having a black/yellow/brown skin wasn't a cause for life-saving medical treatment. I'm not saying racial taunting is acceptable in any way BUT taunting about a potentially fatal medical condition is no less offensive, and the logic that says why someone should "put up or shut up" in those circumstances is beyond me.

Tell me how it's not, oh great wise one ?? You dont find yourself being held back by society due to pre-conceived notions of you purely on account of the fact you've had a brain tumour. Overlooked for jobs, that sort of thing. Leazes will explain that better. You don't die from being held back/overlooked for jobs. This isn't about offence/discrimination to a population or section of society at large it's about effect on an individual, and should that individual have to put up with it without comment.

Slight difference between a cold and a brain tumour To the individual concerned surely a taunt about a serious illness which could have killed them, and any other people within earshot or reading the report who's friends/family have suffered similarly, is deeply offensive and hurtfull. Similarly a taunt about skin colour is deeply offensive, but a taunt about skin colour isn't a taunt about something that could kill you. Both simply show the ignorance of the taunter, and I fail to see any lesser offence in either

Tell me how it's not, oh great wise one ??

Wembley Park is served by two tube stations and has 5 platforms - it has the capacity to bring in thousands very quickly. I think I'm also right in saying that it has the best transport links than any other stadium in London. Whether it should have been built in the midlands or whatnot is a different debate, but for me, the national stadium should be in the capital of the country. It will be interesting to see if good old Brit organisation/crowd control can make efficient use of the capacity available, I have my doubts.

As bad as, if not worse, than racial chanting IMO. Would you say someone should "take that or fuck off" ?? Sickening

Sorry, I don't understand monglish? what? So you're ignorant as well as an immature prick

Aye OK, whatever If you're happy with the state of the game, great! enjoy it. The players are worth every penny Personally I think it's shite and on the verge of death, they'll ban tackles next

Ah the dimness of youth, how I miss it Can't remember Pele carrying a team to the World Cup Can't remember Pele winning an Italian championship for a relatively unknown club Can't remember Pele scoring goals in many different countries (That didn't include MSL) The only reason Maradona isn't considered more widespread to be better than Pele is because he isn't an ambassador the way Pele is. Plus he can probably still get a hard-on, blatant sympathy vote tbh Didnt he do that in 50 something when he was about 10? Pele was IMO better but that is all people have when it comes to comparing footballers of different era's. Old football was rubbish tbh. Plus there were only about 10 teams in the tournament in those days. And you know this how ??? Overwhelming documentary evidence. Of course how silly of me, Match of the Day is always a true reflection of the game

Ah the dimness of youth, how I miss it Can't remember Pele carrying a team to the World Cup Can't remember Pele winning an Italian championship for a relatively unknown club Can't remember Pele scoring goals in many different countries (That didn't include MSL) The only reason Maradona isn't considered more widespread to be better than Pele is because he isn't an ambassador the way Pele is. Plus he can probably still get a hard-on, blatant sympathy vote tbh Didnt he do that in 50 something when he was about 10? Pele was IMO better but that is all people have when it comes to comparing footballers of different era's. Old football was rubbish tbh. Plus there were only about 10 teams in the tournament in those days. And you know this how ???

Rubbish, I'm one of Garrincha's biggest fans, he may have been more unpredictable than Pele but Pele dominated the game for many a year, Garrincha was at his best for about 4 years whereas Pele about treble that, Pele's by far the best all round player of all time, either foot, heading, whatever, Pele had it all, where players like Garrincha and Maradona where both one footed. Garrincha had wonky legs though Correct. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0uWZVuZGo8 Nice You were allowed to kick people to ribbons in those days as well, and the old caser footballs, like kicking a brick

Possibly true tbh, but never saw Garrincha, mind that'd leave Maradonna not fit to be cutting the half time oranges up

Wrong/Right, not trying to prove anything, players moving abroad in the 50's/60's/early 70's was an exception is all I'm saying, certainly not like the last 20 years or so. It was a simple question of the time, if you wanted to scout someone in South America you had to take a boat FFS. (or fly in a Comet and they crashed waaaay too often!!) There's a list of 7 players been produced for the 50's/60's (two of whom moved for political reasons), I would suggest that a similar list for say the 80's/90's would be significantly longer and render the 7 as akin to nothing. Which was the point I was trying to make. Perhaps I should have posted "As a rule, players didn't play abroad in those days" it's just semantics and economics, the top European clubs didn't have the cash differential in those days so being a star in Brazil/Columbia/Argentina would make a player, in comparison, no worse off than a star in Madrid or England, so why would they move?

Not true according to the likes of:- Franklin(England) to Columbia in 1950 Di Stefano(Argentina) to Columbia in 1949 then Spain in 1953. Billy Steel(Scotland) to America in 1954. Puskas(Hungary) to Spain in 1956. Kocsis(Hungary) to Spain in 1956. Charles(Wales) to Italy in 1957. Gerry Hitchens(Englend) to Italy in 1961. And keep in mind that Pele's debut with Santos was in 1956. So there were players playing abroad in 'those' days. Exception rather than the rule, that's why the world cup used feel like Christmas morning when I ws a kid/younger, you never knew what great players you were going to see until it started. You hadn't even heard of their names let alone seen them play, and then a Pele/Zico/Eusabio/Cubillas/Beckenbauer/Cruyff (or my personal fave Rivelino) turned up out of the blue. Was magic compared to watching Alan Foggon each week The two Hungarians left because of the uprising and it's aftermath BTW

Ah the dimness of youth, how I miss it Can't remember Pele carrying a team to the World Cup Can't remember Pele winning an Italian championship for a relatively unknown club Can't remember Pele scoring goals in many different countries (That didn't include MSL) The only reason Maradona isn't considered more widespread to be better than Pele is because he isn't an ambassador the way Pele is. Plus he can probably still get a hard-on, blatant sympathy vote tbh Utter rubbish, although it is all personal opinion Pele was by far and away a much better footballer, he didn't play abroad because players didn't in those days. Saw them both and there is no question

Ah the dimness of youth, how I miss it

Great find Was just having this discussion with my youngest (19) last night, I said Pele he said Maradonna. It's not even close

That's the point though, it's NOT going to come out in the media as such, they're covering up

Where did you get that from? Someone in the press

"Shut up you lippy black monkey" alledgedly

Todays Telegraph "It is understood the football fraternity is aware and shocked at the alleged incident... all the players involved are believed to be keen to see the matter kept under wraps." McClaren: off-field concerns The Daily Express, following a story yesterday from The Voice newspaper, reports that Steve McClaren is facing an off-the-field crisis after one of his players was accused of making a "deeply disparaging racial remark" toward a fellow England player. For legal reasons the players concerned cannot be named but it is understood the incident is alleged to have taken place during a top-flight match in London. And, as the Express says, "such is the seriousness of the accusation that it threatens to eclipse all the other issues McClaren has had to endure in such a short space of time as England boss".