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seriously ? Did you listen to his recent speech at the UN? Did you not see a 'footage' of the iranian nuclear facility produced by the Americans that turned out to be a bunch of abandoned, ramshackled old buildings - seriously? words are cheap, but this is real. http://boingboing.net/2009/06/21/iran-neda-warning-gr.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv4u5dIRouM....if we're playing the random videos that have nothing to do with the OP game here try this one. The opening post insinuates the US is a military dictatorship. Clearly rubbish, which I said. Who is going off topic anyway, I answered a comment about Iran and their crackpot leader..........I presume you think he is also no danger and we should allow him to do as he likes. Until he nukes Israel ? By which time it's too late, but you know what, its a free world we have no right to intervene, according to idiots like you. you presume a lot! in fact its all you do. the OP makes the parallel that the US is acting in a similar fashion to military dictatorships, as has been stated in other portions of this thread the constitution of the US has certain checks and balances in it to ensure this sort of thing does not happen. if power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. nothing wrong with questioning authority, in fact its healthy for democracy. As has been said, I'm sure the constitution of the US will allow for issues of National Security on occasions. Despite you thinking you have a "right" to be told, the President of the USA has many advisors who will be more aware of the constitution than anybody on this message board. Not sure why exactly you are anti-USA mind, unless you really are the North American equivalent of a mackem again with the presumptions, i'm no more anti american than I am Pro-UK. I just don't take everything that is given out in the media as the truth. i try and see what is given from as many sources (ie points of view) as I can. as for your "mackem" analogy, the idea that everyone from a particular geographic location follows some sort of stereotype is exactly the type of myopic, xenophobic opinion I have come to expect from you LM....keep up the good work...

seriously ? Did you listen to his recent speech at the UN? Did you not see a 'footage' of the iranian nuclear facility produced by the Americans that turned out to be a bunch of abandoned, ramshackled old buildings - seriously? words are cheap, but this is real. http://boingboing.net/2009/06/21/iran-neda-warning-gr.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv4u5dIRouM....if we're playing the random videos that have nothing to do with the OP game here try this one. The opening post insinuates the US is a military dictatorship. Clearly rubbish, which I said. Who is going off topic anyway, I answered a comment about Iran and their crackpot leader..........I presume you think he is also no danger and we should allow him to do as he likes. Until he nukes Israel ? By which time it's too late, but you know what, its a free world we have no right to intervene, according to idiots like you. you presume a lot! in fact its all you do. the OP makes the parallel that the US is acting in a similar fashion to military dictatorships, as has been stated in other portions of this thread the constitution of the US has certain checks and balances in it to ensure this sort of thing does not happen. if power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. nothing wrong with questioning authority, in fact its healthy for democracy.

seriously ? have you ever seen aljazeera (sp?) LM? they give a very different point of view than the beeb or CNN. might be worth a watch to open your mind a little. no Mohammed I haven't. Do you have any experience of the US military, it might open up your mind a little. you're awesome! how old are you anyway? ...what sort of experience are you talking about? not as much as you I'm sure, but then I never fought alongside them in WW2.... how old are you i asked first...

seriously ? Did you listen to his recent speech at the UN? Did you not see a 'footage' of the iranian nuclear facility produced by the Americans that turned out to be a bunch of abandoned, ramshackled old buildings - seriously? words are cheap, but this is real. http://boingboing.net/2009/06/21/iran-neda-warning-gr.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv4u5dIRouM....if we're playing the random videos that have nothing to do with the OP game here try this one.

seriously ? have you ever seen aljazeera (sp?) LM? they give a very different point of view than the beeb or CNN. might be worth a watch to open your mind a little. no Mohammed I haven't. Do you have any experience of the US military, it might open up your mind a little. you're awesome! how old are you anyway? ...what sort of experience are you talking about? not as much as you I'm sure, but then I never fought alongside them in WW2....

seriously ? have you ever seen aljazeera (sp?) LM? they give a very different point of view than the beeb or CNN. might be worth a watch to open your mind a little.

the hispanic mom from modern family

No, what I'm saying is you foster moderation on both sides. You simply continue to butcher innocents in your endeavours to find the guilty and you will radicalise normally rational, reasonable people. The easiest recruiting tool the enemies of "the West" have, is the footage of American missiles slamming into schools and funerals. IT doesn't matter if 60% of the people killed are zealots hell bent on destruction, the fanatics can simply point at the carnage and proclaim once more, that the Great Satan is alive and well and he drives to work in an SUV while listening to Bruce Springsteen. The greatest steps forward in the Irish peace process was when we sat down with the radicals and afforded them a degree of legitimacy. So, in other words, terrorism in Northern Ireland worked? bit of an over simplification, some one has to bring the parties to the table, it goes beyond who is right and who is wrong. two sides to every story and all that, the important thing is that conflict is negotiated across a table, far from colateral damage on both sides.

i thought it was..."you don't know what i know, and therefore I'm right"

commenting on north american politics? what qualifies you to do so?...... Like I said, you know nothing about me son. Nothing at all just wondering, as I am not allowed to comment on UK politics...btw, as you've never been to canada, where was it you came across "most canadians", the ones that are "plastic yanks"?

commenting on north american politics? what qualifies you to do so?......

Given the fact they weren't "being open and wearing uniforms in a proper battlefield" or whatever it is you say about Muslims then I'd say yes. they may have saved someone you know, or you, being murdered. I suppose your reply says everything. Further debate is pointless. Their actions may have caused a retribution from the terrorists which lead to someone being murdered. Your argument is weak as piss. bollocks. They were deservedly shot. Whatever any further consequences. You can't allow shitbags like that to do what they were planning. You don't deal with terrorists. You don't get it. If you deal with them, they see it as weakness and attempt to "bargain" further anyway. So you don't believe in escalation? . Terrorism doesn't work, it won't ever get the terrorists what they want. Neither does meeting violence with violenceThe only thing that works is moderation and if you don't see that, you're as much a zealot as the people you rail against. +1000000

The liberal rubbish that forms the basis of the article on NK you Linked to? Because they have absolutely no history of lying do they? What would be your limits - how many people would they be allowed to kill before you said hang on there's something not quite right here - 10, 100 - a thousand - more? I know who the good guys are. The bad guys wouldn't let you post what you say about them. phew! what a relief, as long as YOU know..... coming from a yank wannabee .... i don't even understand your response....must be my percieved lack of real world experience, or your lack of geographical knowledge, of course it could be that you are an internet forum sooopa poster that reverts to what he knows best (name calling and the like) when his side of the argument breaks down. fact is ,either killing is bad or it isn't, it can't be ok for one side and not the other. either you're for it or you're not. i am against killing period. fact is LM you haven't a clue, in order to get one you'd need to open your eyes and your mind to the miriad of other cultures and points of view that exist on our planet....tbh i dont even know i'm wasting my effort with this. point is sunshine, you are a plastic yank coming on here trying to tell genuine lifelong supporters of the football club that have actively supported the club for anything between 20-45 years that you know better than we do. You also insist you know more about the politics of the UK more than the majority of posters who have lived here and always have done to go with it. You also are debating issues of National Security with me. You know fuck all about me, you know nothing of my backround or anything at all. You know nothing about my perception of the world, politics, cultures, how I have travelled. You know fuck all. What I do know about you though, is you are a plastic yank, like most Canadians. Like most Jocks who are English wannabees. You are the North American version of a mackem. Killing is bad, but sometimes it is justified. Don't bother preaching to me that the killing of cunts who have terrorist links or even cunts who have sympathies with those who do active terrorism within the civilised western world from their caves in the middle east isn't justified, because it is. Issues of National Security are basic common sense. You being a liberal minded tosspot, think you should be told certain things. But you should not. Certain things are highly confidential for a reason. If you don't agree then basically it's your tough luck. If you want to talk politics talk Canadian politics, not UK politics, because I for one don't give a shit what your opinions are of the UK if you have chosen not to live here and integrate into the community correctly. ...read the OP...we're talking about NORTH AMERICAN POLITICS.....i really don't give a shit about what you think of me. your reply just goes to show how completely deluded and cluesless you are and the rancor in it belies i may have hit a nerve , is it a fear of books? is that why you dont read? . bitter much. btw...killing is never justified deluded = Not at all. As I said, you know nothing about me. Hit a nerve = just showing you how to suck eggs. ....how about that OP...makes your rant seem, well in a word, demented. not really. You have no idea of the need for or basics of National Security. Your problem not mine. ...typical LM..."you just don't understand" response.

You can say this and it's a fair point, but it is necessary for the intelligence services to do it, it is where modern communcations take place now. They don't put parcels and notes in holes in trees anymore. You know this Parky ? aye. Just adding a bit of homour to these anti-west rants this is the same tactic used in the middle east by israel, just because the policies are being questioned or disagreed with doesn't make them "anti-west" just as it isn't anti-semetic to say israel should get the fuck out of gaza. you can't uphold the rights and freedoms afforded to us in a democratic state by suspending them

The liberal rubbish that forms the basis of the article on NK you Linked to? Because they have absolutely no history of lying do they? What would be your limits - how many people would they be allowed to kill before you said hang on there's something not quite right here - 10, 100 - a thousand - more? I know who the good guys are. The bad guys wouldn't let you post what you say about them. phew! what a relief, as long as YOU know..... coming from a yank wannabee .... i don't even understand your response....must be my percieved lack of real world experience, or your lack of geographical knowledge, of course it could be that you are an internet forum sooopa poster that reverts to what he knows best (name calling and the like) when his side of the argument breaks down. fact is ,either killing is bad or it isn't, it can't be ok for one side and not the other. either you're for it or you're not. i am against killing period. fact is LM you haven't a clue, in order to get one you'd need to open your eyes and your mind to the miriad of other cultures and points of view that exist on our planet....tbh i dont even know i'm wasting my effort with this. point is sunshine, you are a plastic yank coming on here trying to tell genuine lifelong supporters of the football club that have actively supported the club for anything between 20-45 years that you know better than we do. You also insist you know more about the politics of the UK more than the majority of posters who have lived here and always have done to go with it. You also are debating issues of National Security with me. You know fuck all about me, you know nothing of my backround or anything at all. You know nothing about my perception of the world, politics, cultures, how I have travelled. You know fuck all. What I do know about you though, is you are a plastic yank, like most Canadians. Like most Jocks who are English wannabees. You are the North American version of a mackem. Killing is bad, but sometimes it is justified. Don't bother preaching to me that the killing of cunts who have terrorist links or even cunts who have sympathies with those who do active terrorism within the civilised western world from their caves in the middle east isn't justified, because it is. Issues of National Security are basic common sense. You being a liberal minded tosspot, think you should be told certain things. But you should not. Certain things are highly confidential for a reason. If you don't agree then basically it's your tough luck. If you want to talk politics talk Canadian politics, not UK politics, because I for one don't give a shit what your opinions are of the UK if you have chosen not to live here and integrate into the community correctly. ...read the OP...we're talking about NORTH AMERICAN POLITICS.....i really don't give a shit about what you think of me. your reply just goes to show how completely deluded and cluesless you are and the rancor in it belies i may have hit a nerve , is it a fear of books? is that why you dont read? . bitter much. btw...killing is never justified deluded = Not at all. As I said, you know nothing about me. Hit a nerve = just showing you how to suck eggs. ....how about that OP...makes your rant seem, well in a word, demented.

The liberal rubbish that forms the basis of the article on NK you Linked to? Because they have absolutely no history of lying do they? What would be your limits - how many people would they be allowed to kill before you said hang on there's something not quite right here - 10, 100 - a thousand - more? I know who the good guys are. The bad guys wouldn't let you post what you say about them. phew! what a relief, as long as YOU know..... coming from a yank wannabee .... i don't even understand your response....must be my percieved lack of real world experience, or your lack of geographical knowledge, of course it could be that you are an internet forum sooopa poster that reverts to what he knows best (name calling and the like) when his side of the argument breaks down. fact is ,either killing is bad or it isn't, it can't be ok for one side and not the other. either you're for it or you're not. i am against killing period. fact is LM you haven't a clue, in order to get one you'd need to open your eyes and your mind to the miriad of other cultures and points of view that exist on our planet....tbh i dont even know i'm wasting my effort with this. point is sunshine, you are a plastic yank coming on here trying to tell genuine lifelong supporters of the football club that have actively supported the club for anything between 20-45 years that you know better than we do. You also insist you know more about the politics of the UK more than the majority of posters who have lived here and always have done to go with it. You also are debating issues of National Security with me. You know fuck all about me, you know nothing of my backround or anything at all. You know nothing about my perception of the world, politics, cultures, how I have travelled. You know fuck all. What I do know about you though, is you are a plastic yank, like most Canadians. Like most Jocks who are English wannabees. You are the North American version of a mackem. Killing is bad, but sometimes it is justified. Don't bother preaching to me that the killing of cunts who have terrorist links or even cunts who have sympathies with those who do active terrorism within the civilised western world from their caves in the middle east isn't justified, because it is. Issues of National Security are basic common sense. You being a liberal minded tosspot, think you should be told certain things. But you should not. Certain things are highly confidential for a reason. If you don't agree then basically it's your tough luck. If you want to talk politics talk Canadian politics, not UK politics, because I for one don't give a shit what your opinions are of the UK if you have chosen not to live here and integrate into the community correctly. ...read the OP...we're talking about NORTH AMERICAN POLITICS.....i really don't give a shit about what you think of me. your reply just goes to show how completely deluded and cluesless you are and the rancor in it belies i may have hit a nerve , is it a fear of books? is that why you dont read? . bitter much. btw...killing is never justified

The liberal rubbish that forms the basis of the article on NK you Linked to? Because they have absolutely no history of lying do they? What would be your limits - how many people would they be allowed to kill before you said hang on there's something not quite right here - 10, 100 - a thousand - more? I know who the good guys are. The bad guys wouldn't let you post what you say about them. phew! what a relief, as long as YOU know..... coming from a yank wannabee .... i don't even understand your response....must be my percieved lack of real world experience, or your lack of geographical knowledge, of course it could be that you are an internet forum sooopa poster that reverts to what he knows best (name calling and the like) when his side of the argument breaks down. fact is ,either killing is bad or it isn't, it can't be ok for one side and not the other. either you're for it or you're not. i am against killing period. fact is LM you haven't a clue, in order to get one you'd need to open your eyes and your mind to the miriad of other cultures and points of view that exist on our planet....tbh i dont even know i'm wasting my effort with this.

just because you don't get it doesn't mean its shit.

The liberal rubbish that forms the basis of the article on NK you Linked to? Because they have absolutely no history of lying do they? What would be your limits - how many people would they be allowed to kill before you said hang on there's something not quite right here - 10, 100 - a thousand - more? I know who the good guys are. The bad guys wouldn't let you post what you say about them. phew! what a relief, as long as YOU know.....

quite right too. If there is a reason to do with National Security, then that comes first. OH FUCK...here we go.... you think otherwise leftie boy ? National security is an important thing lad. Shame you appear to think otherwise. especially when it quashes the rights and freedoms we are trying to protect..... ....leftie boy.... no. It is National security.Don't you trust him ? speaking in tongues now...clearly lost the plot oh dear. maybe of you read something it might help....try the declaration of independance and the associated amendments to it Forget it son. I realise that you liberal-minded people think they should tell you and you're naturally inquisitive [or just nosey bastards] and envious you aren't privy to it, but the point is that someone has decided there is an issue of National Security in there somewhere, and like it or not, for that reason they quite rightly aren't going to tell you what it is. Basic stuff.

quite right too. If there is a reason to do with National Security, then that comes first. OH FUCK...here we go.... you think otherwise leftie boy ? National security is an important thing lad. Shame you appear to think otherwise. especially when it quashes the rights and freedoms we are trying to protect..... ....leftie boy.... no. It is National security.Don't you trust him ? speaking in tongues now...clearly lost the plot oh dear. maybe of you read something it might help....try the declaration of independance and the associated amendments to it

quite right too. If there is a reason to do with National Security, then that comes first. OH FUCK...here we go.... you think otherwise leftie boy ? National security is an important thing lad. Shame you appear to think otherwise. especially when it quashes the rights and freedoms we are trying to protect..... ....leftie boy.... no. It is National security.Don't you trust him ? speaking in tongues now...clearly lost the plot

quite right too. If there is a reason to do with National Security, then that comes first. OH FUCK...here we go.... you think otherwise leftie boy ? National security is an important thing lad. Shame you appear to think otherwise. especially when it quashes the rights and freedoms we are trying to protect..... ....leftie boy....

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quite right too. If there is a reason to do with National Security, then that comes first. OH FUCK...here we go....