tooner

Do a bit of research and come back and tell me what you found out. check my edit...

They all get worked up. Catholics haven't even seen bible's burnt, they lose their collective shit every time a film like the Life of Brian or Dogma says a word out of line. Most christians get worked up in the way you've literally illustrated though. Would you not agree that many muslims have a tendency to react a bit more strongly than that, as witnessed by the ridiculous Mohammed cartoon incident? If a mad mullah was burning Bibles in Saudi would anyone really give a shit? I think they all overstep the mark..... http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news?articleid=3028478 http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-55438457.html http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/kan...tillers_murder/ etc. I think you've fallen into the same trap a lot of people do by excusing it as a minority of catholics, christians, protestants when abortionists get killed and that, but maintaining it's 'many' muslims that are extreme. Well your first two links refer to sectarian problems in Northern Ireland and the last one is a religiously motivated murder against an arbortionist. As far as NI goes, I think it is much more complicated than just religion, and the latter link shows how a strongly held conviction can lead to perverse actions, just as animal liberation does in this country, for instance. But they're hardly international outright riots are they? Also I can see why someone gets worked up about abortion and commits murder if they literally believe abortion is murder - the action is obscene to me but I can understand the perverse logic of murdering the aborter in order to save 'lives'. I can also understand the tribal hatred in Northern Ireland even if I despair about it. But a mob trashing a Danish embassy because of some cartoons they've never even seen? Are you really telling me that Islam can absorb criticism and ridicule as well as christianity? I don't think so. Protests are probably bigger and more frequent in muslim countries. That says more about the dwindling popularity of all religions in the west rather than the extremity of the most unhinged members of each church. Well no, not really. You've offered a hypothesis there without much evidence to back it up (epecially considering the growth of evangelism in the US). Another simpler hypothesis is that the Islamic faith is, in general, more extreme and less tolerant than the older Abrahamic faiths. An obvious example would be that a muslim can freely walk into St Peters in Rome. I'd like to see what would happen to you if you tried to even enter the city of Mecca - you would be arrested on the spot, imprisoned, and very likely tortured or even murdered. That's got nothing to do with unhinged extremists of the muslim faith, has it? now you're just making stuff up... ...... ...ok so i looked it up and you're right but what you aren't saying is that the law which prohibits non-muslims from entering is not a religious one (ie Mohammed never said no muslims) it was made by the Saudi King so it is a Saudi law.

Mankind has reached the stage in the 'Developed World' where any benefits of religion are outweighed by the negatives. It is all a great lie used to control the masses - Marx was spot on. spot on Renton. Personally I'm sick of hearing about it, the idea that people can get so het up over someone burning a fictional storybook is ridiculous. I have more important things to worry about in my life, religions are so crazily primitive I see anyone getting worked up about them as complete morons and of no real benefit to the human race. An individual burning books is nowt worth worrying about. Fictional storybooks have been burnt by governments in the past on a scale I find disgusting though and would get het up about if it happened again. A distinction worth making I think. We look forward to you standing in the centre of Tehran and exercising your right to free speech and telling them all how stupid they are ...you're funny. you think that this argument says it all. the onus has to be on civil society to uphold the values we have instituted into our founding documents. otherewise we are just paying lip service to ideals we say we are fighting for abroad. i agree its shitty when people with different agendas/ideals who have come to the west (NA, EU) from countries where they wouldn't enjoy the same freedoms we have, complain or protest about things or say nasty things about the west . but the freedoms we enjoy can't just be for those who were born here, they have to apply to everyone equally. no one has ever questioned that we have it better in the west than in Tehran. http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q...995&bih=553 Do you think the middle east was a peaceful place that suffered no western aggression prior to 9/11 Leazes? is the middle east where your allegiance lies too ? Do you think the German resistance that opposed the Nazi party were unpatriotic? would you have allowed sympathisers of Hitler Youth to demonstrate in the streets of the UK and exercise their right of freedom of speech ? You mean like the neo-nazi's that still enjoy freedom of speech? Aye. so you would have supported Nazi's demonstrating on the streets of the UK during the 2nd world war ? Deary deary me. ...wow! you're logic is staggering!.....

Mankind has reached the stage in the 'Developed World' where any benefits of religion are outweighed by the negatives. It is all a great lie used to control the masses - Marx was spot on. spot on Renton. Personally I'm sick of hearing about it, the idea that people can get so het up over someone burning a fictional storybook is ridiculous. I have more important things to worry about in my life, religions are so crazily primitive I see anyone getting worked up about them as complete morons and of no real benefit to the human race. An individual burning books is nowt worth worrying about. Fictional storybooks have been burnt by governments in the past on a scale I find disgusting though and would get het up about if it happened again. A distinction worth making I think. We look forward to you standing in the centre of Tehran and exercising your right to free speech and telling them all how stupid they are ...you're funny. you think that this argument says it all. the onus has to be on civil society to uphold the values we have instituted into our founding documents. otherewise we are just paying lip service to ideals we say we are fighting for abroad. i agree its shitty when people with different agendas/ideals who have come to the west (NA, EU) from countries where they wouldn't enjoy the same freedoms we have, complain or protest about things or say nasty things about the west . but the freedoms we enjoy can't just be for those who were born here, they have to apply to everyone equally. no one has ever questioned that we have it better in the west than in Tehran. http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q...995&bih=553 .....fwiw they were from saudi arabia not iran....and btw you were talking about freedom of speech not 9/11, try and stay on topic, take your anti dementia meds and try again in a couple of hours...

Mankind has reached the stage in the 'Developed World' where any benefits of religion are outweighed by the negatives. It is all a great lie used to control the masses - Marx was spot on. spot on Renton. Personally I'm sick of hearing about it, the idea that people can get so het up over someone burning a fictional storybook is ridiculous. I have more important things to worry about in my life, religions are so crazily primitive I see anyone getting worked up about them as complete morons and of no real benefit to the human race. An individual burning books is nowt worth worrying about. Fictional storybooks have been burnt by governments in the past on a scale I find disgusting though and would get het up about if it happened again. A distinction worth making I think. We look forward to you standing in the centre of Tehran and exercising your right to free speech and telling them all how stupid they are ...you're funny. you think that this argument says it all. the onus has to be on civil society to uphold the values we have instituted into our founding documents. otherewise we are just paying lip service to ideals we say we are fighting for abroad. i agree its shitty when people with different agendas/ideals who have come to the west (NA, EU) from countries where they wouldn't enjoy the same freedoms we have, complain or protest about things or say nasty things about the west. but the freedoms we enjoy can't just be for those who were born here, they have to apply to everyone equally. no one has ever questioned that we have it better in the west than in Tehran.

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Trying to work out how the story grew by filtering by dates in google. There was nothing after this for a month....before Fox News picked up the story..... http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=new...=&id=108423 ...and everyone went apeshit. most of whats wrong with the US wrapped up into two words

The union of the crowns was in 1603....Scotland and England had the same king during the civil war. The civil war was a nationwide punch up to establish an evil old bigot as ruler of Great Britain, as opposed to a bunch of inbred Scottish aristocrats. It was between two factions fighting for control, not two different nations. Canadians...I wouldnt say you're all thick but one half of the country speaks French and the other half fuckin let them fair enough, my knowledge of scottish history is admittedly (and obviously) limited. hardly half speak french, I'd say closer to a 1/4 or at most 1/3, and the inclusion of french as a second language as well as the trappings of french canadian culture are guaranteed by the constitution, must have been the only way to get the frech to sign on to confederation. as an aside, since they were singled out for having crazy accents, the population of NL were the last ones to sign on to confederation til the middle of the 20th century and still flew their own flag which looks just like the irish one except there is pink instead of orange.

Scotland Conquered (1651-1650) From Cromwell’s point of view his English republic was in danger. He begged the Scots to reconsider - they wouldn't and he invaded. The Scots fought well initially, cornering Cromwell at Dunbar, but, urged on by their ministers (the political commissars of their day), they descended from their commanding position and were massacred. Within a year Scotland was conquered, its parliament was abolished and the Scots were forced into an incorporating union with England. Scotland became an occupied country with Cromwellian citadels imposed on Ayr, Leith, Perth, Inverness and Inverlochy. It was the first time in history that the nation of Scotland had been conquered. The situation wasn't to last. The Parliamentary Union of 1652 and the birth of Commonwealth of Scotland, England and Ireland brought an uneasy peace which people accepted for purely practical reasons. However, when Cromwell died and the republic fell apart, few in Scotland opposed the Restoration of Charles II. PL...you got some esplainin to doooo! but seriously, this is from a BBC site. granted Canada has only been around as a soveriegn state since 1867, maybe not long enough to have been conquered. Eventually the states will try and do it.

no more reason than there is to use fuck, wanker....but I take your point, he's a douche nozzle We'll it's just so 90's sitcom. at the end of the day though parky, Canadians are just the mackems of North America aren't they ? and he thinks I'm joking i'm willing to bet you've never been to Canada LM....please prove me wrong...

Well in that case I suggest that the history of your mother country isnt that high on the curriculum in Canada then.....the land of the Scots has never been inavded and conquered by any other nation.....it's been colonised to a small extent by the two greatest Empires the world has seen but conquered by no fucker. Bit like Thailand PL that comment was squarely aimed at Stevie not you....and admitedly the conquered comment is straight out of trainspotting. anyway canada is my mother country, and we like scotland (apparently) and thailand haven't be conquered by any fucker either...

no more reason than there is to use fuck, wanker....but I take your point, he's a douche nozzle We'll it's just so 90's sitcom. at the end of the day though parky, Canadians are just the mackems of North America aren't they ? must......resist.......troll!!!

no more reason than there is to use fuck, wanker....but I take your point, he's a douche nozzle

Losing away at Vietnam for them, was like losing 2-0 in the FA Cup Third Round away to West Allotment Celtic. i think it is funny that you have such an inferiority complex when it comes to the US, you can't handle the fact that they became the super power after WW2...jumping to conclusions all the time, truth is Canada doesn't (traditionally) give a fuck what the states thinks (although our current PM is a bit of a douche republican wannabe and has done everything in his power to "americanise" canadian politics)

yep, them the french and the aboriginals......been working together for over 400 years.

Yanks It's International Burn the Koran day actually. Love the way the American's like to get us all involved in their retarded activities and sports. Re: Canada. If we compare the US to England, then that makes Canada Scotland. Which is pretty accurate imo. ummmm...no, A. canada has never been conquered by the US and is a sovereign state of its own B. while we share geography, cultural differences are far greater than similarities "conquered" in what way Mr Mooseshagger? as in invaded and beat your asses... Beat wor "asses" arses by the way, it was English fighting English ya daft cunt. America have never won a war on their own, and never will. In war history we are the Real Madrid, that's a fact, America are like Man City. hahaha...dude, i was saying that scotland had been invaded by england and were subsequently conquered, while the same is not true for canada in relation to the US....ya daft cunt!!!....

Yanks It's International Burn the Koran day actually. Love the way the American's like to get us all involved in their retarded activities and sports. Re: Canada. If we compare the US to England, then that makes Canada Scotland. Which is pretty accurate imo. ummmm...no, A. canada has never been conquered by the US and is a sovereign state of its own B. while we share geography, cultural differences are far greater than similarities "conquered" in what way Mr Mooseshagger? as in invaded and beat your asses...

I have kind of a funny story about that. In 1993, I was living in a town about an hour north of Dallas (which would be about an hour, hour and a half south of Waco) going to school and living at my aunt's house. Around the end of February, I was all excited because I was going to fly back home to Illinois to see my friends and family for my birthday, so the week before, I was telling my Texan friends how I was going to go home and blah, blah, blah. The important thing here is, the small town in Illinois that I come from is called Mount Carmel. I basically just flew back for the weekend (might have taken off Friday too), then I was back in Texas. I spent almost every waking minute going to one party or another, seeing all my friends I'd not seen for about a year, then it was back on the plane to return to school. The important thing here is that I didn't watch any TV. So I get back to Texas late Sunday evening, and I'm all tired and kind of out-of-it at school the next day. A couple of my Texan friends are all, "Hey, so where did you say you were going?" Me. "Mount Carmel." Them. "Mount Carmel, where?" Me. "Uh, Illinois? Why?" That was when they told me about the FBI storming and subsequently accidentally setting fire to David Koresh's compound which he had taken to calling Mount Carmel. Of course then I was all, "Wait- what makes you think I would have been at some religious cult's compound?" Never really got a straight answer on that one. Lols. Was wondering if anyone would pick up on that. maybe the ones in Victoria who talk with fake british accents ( i shit you not, they exist), maybe the ones who emmigrated or their children. depends on when the poll ( if you really read something <cough> WUM <cough>) was taken. Its been lots of maple syrup and red and white flag waving since the olympics, but in general we don't toot our own horn a whole lot, in my experience anyway. Canadians sound like Canadians. They have different regional dialects just like we do, or just like the people who live on either side of the Tyne. Seriously though- they don't sound British, English, Scottish, or Irish. At least no Canadian I've met does. The Quebecois obviously sound French, but I can't tell you if their French sounds like Canadian French or French French. The only thing y'all toot your horns about is hockey, Tooner in my experience, but most of the time you're right (unless your a Leafs fan in which case you're most likely completely deluded) so it's all good in my book. EDIT: Unless you're Don Cherry in which case you're right about 1% of the time and completely balls-out, full of shit the other 99%. dude! don't be that guy, you can't change who you support.....they used to be good you know.... Whatchu talkin' 'bout Willis? I'm a lifelong (well, 20 years anyway) Kings fan! I gotta give Leafs stick whenever I can, much like a Mr. Gretzky did in Game 7 of the '93 playoffs... ......so fucking close to the finals that year!

I have kind of a funny story about that. In 1993, I was living in a town about an hour north of Dallas (which would be about an hour, hour and a half south of Waco) going to school and living at my aunt's house. Around the end of February, I was all excited because I was going to fly back home to Illinois to see my friends and family for my birthday, so the week before, I was telling my Texan friends how I was going to go home and blah, blah, blah. The important thing here is, the small town in Illinois that I come from is called Mount Carmel. I basically just flew back for the weekend (might have taken off Friday too), then I was back in Texas. I spent almost every waking minute going to one party or another, seeing all my friends I'd not seen for about a year, then it was back on the plane to return to school. The important thing here is that I didn't watch any TV. So I get back to Texas late Sunday evening, and I'm all tired and kind of out-of-it at school the next day. A couple of my Texan friends are all, "Hey, so where did you say you were going?" Me. "Mount Carmel." Them. "Mount Carmel, where?" Me. "Uh, Illinois? Why?" That was when they told me about the FBI storming and subsequently accidentally setting fire to David Koresh's compound which he had taken to calling Mount Carmel. Of course then I was all, "Wait- what makes you think I would have been at some religious cult's compound?" Never really got a straight answer on that one. Lols. Was wondering if anyone would pick up on that. maybe the ones in Victoria who talk with fake british accents ( i shit you not, they exist), maybe the ones who emmigrated or their children. depends on when the poll ( if you really read something <cough> WUM <cough>) was taken. Its been lots of maple syrup and red and white flag waving since the olympics, but in general we don't toot our own horn a whole lot, in my experience anyway. Canadians sound like Canadians. They have different regional dialects just like we do, or just like the people who live on either side of the Tyne. Seriously though- they don't sound British, English, Scottish, or Irish. At least no Canadian I've met does. The Quebecois obviously sound French, but I can't tell you if their French sounds like Canadian French or French French. The only thing y'all toot your horns about is hockey, Tooner in my experience, but most of the time you're right (unless your a Leafs fan in which case you're most likely completely deluded) so it's all good in my book. EDIT: Unless you're Don Cherry in which case you're right about 1% of the time and completely balls-out, full of shit the other 99%. dude! don't be that guy, you can't change who you support.....they used to be good you know....

I have kind of a funny story about that. In 1993, I was living in a town about an hour north of Dallas (which would be about an hour, hour and a half south of Waco) going to school and living at my aunt's house. Around the end of February, I was all excited because I was going to fly back home to Illinois to see my friends and family for my birthday, so the week before, I was telling my Texan friends how I was going to go home and blah, blah, blah. The important thing here is, the small town in Illinois that I come from is called Mount Carmel. I basically just flew back for the weekend (might have taken off Friday too), then I was back in Texas. I spent almost every waking minute going to one party or another, seeing all my friends I'd not seen for about a year, then it was back on the plane to return to school. The important thing here is that I didn't watch any TV. So I get back to Texas late Sunday evening, and I'm all tired and kind of out-of-it at school the next day. A couple of my Texan friends are all, "Hey, so where did you say you were going?" Me. "Mount Carmel." Them. "Mount Carmel, where?" Me. "Uh, Illinois? Why?" That was when they told me about the FBI storming and subsequently accidentally setting fire to David Koresh's compound which he had taken to calling Mount Carmel. Of course then I was all, "Wait- what makes you think I would have been at some religious cult's compound?" Never really got a straight answer on that one. Lols. Was wondering if anyone would pick up on that. maybe the ones in Victoria who talk with fake british accents ( i shit you not, they exist), maybe the ones who emmigrated or their children. depends on when the poll ( if you really read something <cough> WUM <cough>) was taken. Its been lots of maple syrup and red and white flag waving since the olympics, but in general we don't toot our own horn a whole lot, in my experience anyway. Canadians sound like Canadians. They have different regional dialects just like we do, or just like the people who live on either side of the Tyne. Seriously though- they don't sound British, English, Scottish, or Irish. At least no Canadian I've met does. The Quebecois obviously sound French, but I can't tell you if their French sounds like Canadian French or French French. The only thing y'all toot your horns about is hockey, Tooner in my experience, but most of the time you're right (unless your a Leafs fan in which case you're most likely completely deluded) so it's all good in my book. they do not sound french, like the guy in one of the matrix movies says "I love the French language.... fantastic language, especially to curse with... it's like wiping your arse with silk"...quebecois sounds like an english person trying to speak french, i had a roomate who came back from a exchange program in france, he grew up in a french household and was for all intents and purposes french/ french canadian and was loudly and constantly derided by the children at his billets house for his "outrageous accent"

maybe the ones in Victoria who talk with fake british accents ( i shit you not, they exist), maybe the ones who emmigrated or their children. depends on when the poll ( if you really read something <cough> WUM <cough>) was taken. Its been lots of maple syrup and red and white flag waving since the olympics, but in general we don't toot our own horn a whole lot, in my experience anyway. Much more sensible than amerians, the same amount of guns and a fraction of gun crime. to true, but it (gun crime) is on the rise in major cities like T.O. and Vancouver. I blame Steven Harper, thats our PM Stevie.

Yanks It's International Burn the Koran day actually. Love the way the American's like to get us all involved in their retarded activities and sports. Re: Canada. If we compare the US to England, then that makes Canada Scotland. Which is pretty accurate imo. ummmm...no, A. canada has never been conquered by the US and is a sovereign state of its own B. while we share geography, cultural differences are far greater than similarities Aye, but: You're situated North of the US. You have a lot of mountains and lakes. The population ratios are similar (with a lot of concentration in one area). You're both ex-British colonies. Canada must have a high proportion of Scottish immigrants (I know of loads of Scots who moved there). You even have a Scottish twang aboot your accent. You like a drink. A lot. Case rested. I met these kids years ago in Holland, they were from Newfoundland, and they sounded more Irish than the Irish, in the main though Canadians speak a generic yank accent. hahaha...how many canadians from different regions have you come into contact with? there are many different dialects/accents across canada just as there are in britain re: NL (thats New Foundland and Labrador) yeah they dont quite sound like anyone

maybe the ones in Victoria who talk with fake british accents ( i shit you not, they exist), maybe the ones who emmigrated or their children. depends on when the poll ( if you really read something <cough> WUM <cough>) was taken. Its been lots of maple syrup and red and white flag waving since the olympics, but in general we don't toot our own horn a whole lot, in my experience anyway.

Yanks It's International Burn the Koran day actually. Love the way the American's like to get us all involved in their retarded activities and sports. Re: Canada. If we compare the US to England, then that makes Canada Scotland. Which is pretty accurate imo. ummmm...no, A. canada has never been conquered by the US and is a sovereign state of its own B. while we share geography, cultural differences are far greater than similarities Aye, but: You're situated North of the US. You have a lot of mountains and lakes. The population ratios are similar (with a lot of concentration in one area). You're both ex-British colonies. Canada must have a high proportion of Scottish immigrants (I know of loads of Scots who moved there). You even have a Scottish twang aboot your accent. You like a drink. A lot. Case rested. well when you put it like that....I can get behind that...

Yanks It's International Burn the Koran day actually. Love the way the American's like to get us all involved in their retarded activities and sports. Re: Canada. If we compare the US to England, then that makes Canada Scotland. Which is pretty accurate imo. ummmm...no, A. canada has never been conquered by the US and is a sovereign state of its own B. while we share geography, cultural differences are far greater than similarities