ChezGiven

Bobby's been smoking some killer Cambodian.

You like crazy munters?

This thread needs the 'crazy-hot' axis. For those of you familar with the axis, you will know that all women can be rated simultaneously on two dimensions, crazyness and hotness. The axis guides you in decision-making. Once you have established how crazy a bitch is on the x-axis, for example a 5, then you use the 'line of equilibrium' (just made that bit up) to read off how hot she has to be before you hit it. For the gentlemen who developed this particular graph, you can see that she has to be a 5 on the hot scale before she gets it. For those less discerning, a flatter line can be placed in 'crazy-hot' space. Hope it helps Fish, not sure how relevant but there you go.

I don't claim benefits, I work full time and more as a single mother just as I have always worked. I have never claimed benefits in my life and I'm quite proud of that fact. If I want to work and pay someone to clean up after me then thats up to me. In all seriousness, how big is your house that you need a maid? I mean it's pretty easy to keep a four bed Vic terrace tidy without a massive amount of cleaning and dusting. Run the hoover over places every now and then, and that's about all it needs... lol, that is such a scruff's ways of thinking about cleaning! FYP

Its on sky. So the stream may well be a sky one. Its streams of games not on sky or setanta which are of interest.

A stream is just a foreign channel. The question is therefore how many foreign channels cover the championship? No idea tbh but for 3pm kick offs on a saturday you'd expect then to cover the prem.

I am legend

Parky didnt you post one of Hitler's early paintings up here and claim it as one of your own a couple of weeks back?

You get taxed to buggery in France, don't you Chez? NZ = top rate of 39% (but no personal allowance). I do, which partly explains the amount of frenchmen living in london. The biggest complaint of small to medium sized business in this country is the regulation of the labour market though, not tax.

Flexible labour markets are more important for business innovation and start-ups than this tax change. Seems fair to me, someone has to pay for injection of income into the economy.

Roy Keane's appointment as Ipswich means it is our destiny to play in the championship under shearer next season.

12 and a half actually inches?!! hell yeah, why do you think I'm so chirpy all the time! Cos you're a bird?

Not so, I found the gulf in class yesterday almost embarrassing. That might sound like a wind up but I actually felt quite sorry for you. You were better, there was no 'gulf' in class, thats just pejorative nonsense. Once Martins and Viduka were on, it was an even contest. It was more even, certainly not even. We had several guilt edged chances to wrap it up. Which you failed to take due to your lack of class. We also had gilt-edged chances to get a draw, which would have been a bit harsh on you lot on the basis of the 90 minutes.

Not so, I found the gulf in class yesterday almost embarrassing. That might sound like a wind up but I actually felt quite sorry for you. You were better, there was no 'gulf' in class, thats just pejorative nonsense. Once Martins and Viduka were on, it was an even contest.

Smith used the ball very well, agreed NJS.

Watching a premiership game.

Banning? They should fucking promote you. You're what every forum needs.

Fight of flight is encoded I'd imagine. As for difference, I think that is culturally determined. Probably inclined to agree with this. I don't think a genetic explanation alone can account for something as complex as 'racism' (in what we understand that to mean). For instance, developing on what you say Chez, theres also cogent argument that we discriminate in favour of genetic characteristics that are different to our own, in order to broaden the gene pool and increase the prospects of healthy offspring. I don't think Renton 'didn't get' what you meant in all honesty. I think on one very basic level there's general discrimination in everyone against anything which militates against the propagation of one's own genes. You can take that to the absolute nth degree though. There is actually a lot of truth in that. Apparently when choosing our sexual partners we can 'smell' their immune system and choose partners with different ones, ensuring that the offspring's immune system benefits from the broadest genetic experience. In a system as complex as human biology, not everything works in unison in the same direction. The fear of 'others' would have dominated the life of our genes for thousands if not millions of years before we had language. On the other hand the ability to smell and identify a compatible immune system was probably more dominant in our behaviour in the past than it is in the modern world. Not wanting to side track the issue, but does anyone remember last year (I think) the case of the twin brother and sister who were adopted seperately, met each other, fell in love and got married, without knowing they were related? Iirc at the time the experts said that it is common for siblings to be mutually attracted to each other outside the context of the family. Now this would suggest two things: firstly that the immunology theory is untrue; and secondly that not fucking your sister is learnt behaviour rather than genetic hard wiring. Of course it's only a theory based on anecdote, but perhaps highlights the complex interplay of genes and the environment. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m120...66/ai_n8706748/ http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/...90412080748.htm

Fight of flight is encoded I'd imagine. As for difference, I think that is culturally determined. Probably inclined to agree with this. I don't think a genetic explanation alone can account for something as complex as 'racism' (in what we understand that to mean). For instance, developing on what you say Chez, theres also cogent argument that we discriminate in favour of genetic characteristics that are different to our own, in order to broaden the gene pool and increase the prospects of healthy offspring. I don't think Renton 'didn't get' what you meant in all honesty. I think on one very basic level there's general discrimination in everyone against anything which militates against the propagation of one's own genes. You can take that to the absolute nth degree though. There is actually a lot of truth in that. Apparently when choosing our sexual partners we can 'smell' their immune system and choose partners with different ones, ensuring that the offspring's immune system benefits from the broadest genetic experience. In a system as complex as human biology, not everything works in unison in the same direction. The fear of 'others' would have dominated the life of our genes for thousands if not millions of years before we had language. On the other hand the ability to smell and identify a compatible immune system was probably more dominant in our behaviour in the past than it is in the modern world.

Fight of flight is encoded I'd imagine. As for difference, I think that is culturally determined. Plants and insects use colour to discriminate in their behaviour and we come from them. That's a bit of a tenuous link Chez. The thing is, research into genetics, and in particular how genes interact with their environment, is really in its infancy. It's going to turn out to be mind-boggling complex I reckon. But from the evidence I see, I just don't accept that fear of different races is hardwired into our DNA. People are a product of their environment, first and foremost, tbh I think that is blindingly obvious even reading the various posting styles and opinions on toontastic if you get to know a bit about the posters' real life background. Well first of all i'd say it was 'vague' not tenuous. It would be tenuous if i had not made the case for patterns of learnt behaviour that help a species survive being the same for plants, animals and humans, which i thought i did. The plant / insect example is similar in its nature to more complex human thought processes. Secondly, we are the products of millions of years of genetic learning, therefore the majority of what we are is nature not nurture. (Popper outlines it best - have a taste http://radio.weblogs.com/0135950/categorie...2004/03/20.html ) Thirdly, racism may be an environmental manifestation (via nurture) of something more fundamental which is encoded in our genes. I dont think i'm racist but i've lost count of the times i've muttered 'french cunt' under my breath.

Fight of flight is encoded I'd imagine. As for difference, I think that is culturally determined. Plants and insects use colour to discriminate in their behaviour and we come from them.

To be fair to fop, he seemed to be the only one who got the subtle point i made on page 16 which was a reflection on human instinct. This 'instinct' is really interesting me at the moment, as it can also be labelled 'knowledge' as it reflects a set of assumptions that we have about the world before we are born. These 'instincts' / 'knowledge' / 'assumptions' are seen very clear in the plant and animal world, where language and consciousness are different but the genetic mechanism for translating experience from one generation to the next is the same. As this is core to the evolutionary process, its clear that any form of behaviour that protects the gene line (a suspicion of strangers with a different appearance or the assumption that insects exist which will be attracted to my attractive flower petals to ensure that my pollen is spread), is encoded in the gene itself. Tribal behaviour does not have a genetic component only if you can demonstrate that tribalism has no impact on survival of the gene. As thats a falsifiable notion, then the theory is a valid one. In short, we're all wary of others who are different to us as they may be a threat. Since we know that humans have had to fight 'outsiders' since before history to survive, it would be a surprise to me if that behaviour is not encoded, given its importance to the survival of the gene over (perhaps) millions of years.

A very good post, particularly the bit about being genetically pre wired. While I would not consider myself a racist, there are situations when I act in ways that could only be described as racist. I am sure this is very true in all races. We probably can't discuss these things on here which is a shame. Let's just brush issues under the carpet rather than exploring different ideas. I think most people / races are racist. I think its hilarious watching people prance about issues like whether calling chinese food a 'chinkies' is racist when the dominating polemic in China is the superiority of the chinese race.

Interesting euphemism.

What a thread I've been reduced to tears of laughter twice by reading stuff on the internet, once was by Stevie a couple of years ago. He's bright, funny and challenging at the same time, i get PP's arguments about the board's reputation but dismiss the decency argument, if you want decency, get off the internet, its a vile, unregulated sordid place and imo a bit of mild racism is the least of people's worries. Its built into our genetic code anyway, i would classify an instinctive suspicion of unfamiliar looking people as being what was termed 'evolutionary' or 'a priori knowledge' in Popper's epistemology.