peasepud

yep, that's the point I've been making. DL hasn't attended any before now and has no intention of attending any more.

heading along the platform at Kings Cross at 5 o'clock, by my reckoning hes not going to make the kick off like.

To be fair though these meetings dont exist in reality. Normally its a dozen people sitting with Simon Esland talking about pies and bog facilities, the only reason Llambias came was because the NUSC pushed and pushed at it. The NUSC has a seat at these meetings from now, not to cause problems or to sit and slag off DL but to ensure that the important fans things are raised not just how the club can sell more tat. Esland himself acknowledges the stuff that can be done when both work together.

ahhhhh the old "too cliquey to agree with me" response.

I dont see the email as shooting us in the foot at all, in fact quite the opposite. The email went to members and members only, they decided to post it for public consumption which they are more than entitled to do. What the email and Ryders piece has done is shown that a- we are giving our members the information and b- people shouldnt believe a word they read in the Ronnie, as far as anyone would have been concerned from their reports that meeting was a nice happy handshake kind of thing where only good things were said by DL. We reported the facts of the meeting as they happened not some glossed up version. The wording probably could have been better yes but frankly who gives a fuck? M Teasdale could have held his nerve better and got less worked up yes but at the same time Derek Llambias treat these 4 members of the panel as lepers from the moment he realised who they were. This was apparent in the fact that he was nice as pie to one lass for over an hour then got a nudge from Esland when she asked a further question and told who she was. Venom can be the only word to describe the way he treat her from that second onwards. I have no problems with this at all, if anything I think the person with holes in their feet and credibility is Ryder. Journalist? my arse, he was even made to admit by Llambias that he misrepresented the Aston Villa quote yet Ryder had clearly stated to the world that what was being printed from the DL interview was word for word.

Just welcoming you back by making your job easy tbh. I reckon he missed me. Whilst on my "sabbatical" I saw him fishing left right and centre with "Spurs fans are the worst in the country" posts left right and centre. Quite sweet really. sabbatical adjective 1. of or relating to the Sabbath; "Friday is a sabbatical day for Muslims" 2. of or relating to sabbatical leave; "I usually take a sabbatical when Spurs are playing shite" noun 1. a leave usually taken every seventh year

bollocks I think Ive just deleted Alex's post instead of my duplicate

That explains the cocky attitude and the petulant way the email was written then. Also the fact it took a week to write up. I know you're kidding, but Lee Ryder is getting paid to write it up. This Teasdale fella isn't. The chronicle want to take a look at themselves for not reporting impartially what was said at the meeting. Comments Llambias made that Ryder himself admits were reported "accurately" by the NUSC, why has the Chronicle not reported the same quotes in over a week since? Seems to me the NUSC was worth the tenner to get this sort of thing in the public domain alone, if the "journalists" at the meeting didn't think the fans would be interested. Nail and fucking head. Designed to take away any credibility from the actual stuff thats in the email, any reporter worth his salt (and a few who are will be questioning the quotes) should have jumped on some of the stuff (that Ryder saw with his own eyes) and produced a hard hitting Journal / Chron piece yet strangely didnt.

the smell of piss

Is the correct answer tbh. Reality is he and everyone else sees us as a laughing stock. FYP

Tell you what.... there'll be some messy duvets out there today. Slags off NUSC and mentions N-O in the same story, sales of kleenex and Daz will hit the roof.

Ive got no problem with the questioning around the tone of the article Michael put out, on reflection I think the criticisms are fair but over the top, this however is a disgrace and an attempt to take the heat away from any of the numerously shocking things said by Llambias. On reflection if we'd picked those out and posted them alone then it would have been beneficial. What it wouldnt have done though was give those of us not lucky enough to attend an insight into just how odiously DL went about his business. The level of abuse from a Managing Director of this club towards members of the panel purely because of their affiliation with the NUSC was staggering. However, a local reporter who was at the same meeting not reporting these things and instead using the space to dig at another there is nothing short of a waste of Thompson House's money. They may as well have sent a junior and told him to watch what the others there do. Where is the hard hitting journalism Lee? Why arent you questioning our Managing Directors total lack of understanding or sense in some of his answers? Why arent you seriously worried and passing this information onto the fans you purport to be one of and care for? Others do, read anything from the two proper journalists that turned upto the NUSC meeting with you and you'll see how to do your job. Still, at least you'll get your reward from Derek in the form of the odd snippet of information that you can put out as an exclusive.

And so it begins

Have read some of the ego battles elsewhere and hope it is a bit more constructive over here. I also hope Peaspud takes a lot of this in the spirit it is meant and realises it is a good way for NUSC and its members / potential members to communicate whilst awaiting the relevant forum. Hopefully at least in this thread it can be constructive AND informative each way and from all sides. I always do to be honest although like anyone else I am human and sometimes when you spend days on end working away on something only to have people slag it off then it does become personal, thats something that I personally need to address so apologies if sometimes things come across the wrong way wanker Seriously though, we are always looking for constructive criticism and helpful ideas its just that no matter what is done and how its done theres always some looking to rip it apart, thats the bit I feel is sad, that some Newcastle fans are looking for the supporters club to fail and doing whatever they can to help that happen.

wanker

I'll address the bold bit first before the general stuff, there are email addresses on there where you can send stuff to but I agree theres nothing specific I'll take a look at it. Regarding the lack of consultation with members we have been going out and asking questions and will be doing a lot more soon. There will also (when I get my finger out me arse ) be a members area where all of these things will be addressed. I agree with a lot you have to say and I know most if not all of the current committee feel the same. I also am aware that the above statements of infancy, amateurs etc do seem like excuses but they are the simple fact of things, we learn from our mistakes that much is true.

Snowball fights between the corner and scoreboard for that matter any kind of rivalry between sections of the ground, all of thats gone now, you dont get to feel part of a subgroup like back then, even now if someone says they used to stand in the Gallowgate my first question is Corner or scoreboard? the reply of Corner being met with a shake of the head and the quiet mutterings of "wanker"

Id be wary on that, Ive heard stories that once the contact centres get people on that contract then getting out becomes difficult, they refuse the transfer on the grounds of "business needs" ie they dont have enough people to cover those shifts and as you're one of those that currently do it they wont let you go. Personally, I wouldnt sign it and would be looking to jump ship asap because once theyve transferred out of the Civil Service then you're fucked.

well Ive now read the Arsenal site you talked about and I have to say that Im underwhelmed to say the least. Yes they have a bar but thats all they have, theres no mention on their site of anything else, I cant see any work being put into the local community, any dialogue between the SC and FC or other things. A supporters club is for the fans, for the FC, for the community, for everything that is right with the FC and against everything that is wrong. Currently theres too much of the "everything thats wrong" and not enough to shout about with NUFC, thats why we appear to be one sided. The Arsenal model that you keep referring me to though CT doesnt appear to have any substance. This getting of premises would be a thousand steps too far and ahead of ourselves, we have 5 Newcastle publicans that I know of who are members and have offered us the use of their premises when needed. It wouldnt be too difficult to take one of them up on their offer and get a deal going on matchdays where we get use of a room for members only. Thats all it needs, at least at the moment. I dont (personally) however feel that the time is right, subsidised beer and crisps are down on the list of priorities and I think that at the minute it would cause even further seperation between those that are in the SC and those that arent. I do agree fully however that PR is the way forward, thats why we now have (6 months too late if you ask me) a PR expert on the committee, someone who can advise on how best to put things out, when and where to put them and subtle changes to the way in which we do things. Matbe subtle is too small a word at times but its not taking a lot to change things round.

I have to admit I havent, Ive literally not had a minute so will probably do so on the train tomorrow but I will have a neb at them. There will be a members area on the site, again its just down to time constraints and the fact that I think the current site is shit, it looks ok but frankly its unworkable and wastes a lot of space so that is being redesigned first, the members bits will slot into that. There is however a number of email addresses for members (and for that matter non members) to raise concerns, issues and ideas. They should always be the first port of call for now. There is going to be a meeting to discuss the Supporters Trust stuff in the next couple of weeks which I think we will probably announce following tonights committee meeting, I'll know more when I get back from there. As for the other things, we are organising social nights, we represent the fans when ex players die ie we send flowers, condolences etc on behalf of NUFC fans, we take up matters with the club, stewarding being one, the VAT decrease being another, selling off of the ticket office and additional costs of calling to purchase tickets. All of these things are taken up but I would argue that it does need a group to push the football club (no matter which club you are) when things arent going well. The NUSC cannot take credit for everything positive that happens at the club thats for sure but the recent turn in events has got a hell of a lot to do with the role of the SC and the pushing on issues. You have to ask where we would be if there hadnt been someone questioning them and pushing for answers. The fact that even after last weeks meeting they asked us to be involved in future communications means that they themselves see some value in it.

So hold on Im lost? On one hand you're saying that we have a membership thats not worth a light (ie 1000+ in 6 months) yet at the same time you advocate that we buy or at best rent a pub so we can all get together for a beer? We have that now in the fact we can use the Irish Club whenever we want, at the same time maybe in a couple of years time we may adopt a bigger or what some could class more mainstream bar, the likes of the Strawberry are supporters of the club and have offered their services etc. Back in the old old days there was a social club I believe that was part of the supporters club, no doubt LM or Rob can inform on that one, Id be willing to bet though that it wasnt owned by them but merely used. At the moment the SC is barely past the crawling stage, we've still got the walking before we get to even a light jog. We do however do the things that a proper supporters club should do but frankly the main thing that any supporter club should be responsible for is ensuring those running the football club do so with the best interests at heart. Man U, Liverpool they are all doing the same as us, highlighting issues and trying to force change. Yet look at where their respective teams are, how I would love to be in their shoes yet they are still protesting and more than us frankly.

I think under the current plan not even the return of KK could make me optimistic for the future. It would take personal guarantees from Ashley to KK for funds, the removal of the current setup and someone like Mort in before I could be confident that we were really going to have a go at things. If it then fails then so be it but under the current way of working we are screwed regardless of manager (if not this season then next). Those things that are needed are, I feel just pipedreams.

Christ haway man, they're nearly 5000 words long. What do you want us to do hire JK Rowling in to tart them up? They are comprehensive and march exactly what happened that's what is important

make a sacrifice to the god jimmyhill

Bollox would they. we havent lost a league match to a top four side this year. Including their "full strength side". Added to the fact we didn't have: Woodgate, Defoe, Keane and Palacios. We can give anyone a game on our day as you well know. Man Utd are beatable. 13 Hull 14 Tottenham 15 Newcastle 16 Portsmouth 17 Blackburn 18 Middlesbrough 19 Stoke 20 West Brom Whey aye sonna course you can and before you retort with "we're above you", we acknowledge the fact we're shite and know we stand a rats piss chance in the Sahara of getting anything against them