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I'd still rather have him than Woodgate. What's the point in having a player who's fit about 30% of the time, if you're lucky. 46615[/snapback] I agree but I just think that we shouldn't have spend 2/3 of Woodgates transfer feee on this piece of shite. 46616[/snapback] pretty much said this from day 1. Trouble is, i got slated for making an instant decision and not giving him a chance !

self righteous enough to insinute the same towards those who say it's complete crap though. Incidentally, do you still think Souness will be "successful" [ie top 4] now that we have the moral booster of making hard work of beating a team certain to be relegated

Happy birthday PP

you must be one of them then

to do it at the end after we'd clung on screaming for the final whistle just made us a laughing stock. 48580[/snapback] it's bloody stupid and moronic at the best of times, a few in front of me were doing it today...

Yes, that is correct, I knew there had been a player before Ferdinand but couldn't remember who it was. McGrath and Whiteside were sold because they were part of a boozers club, in Fergusons book he describes how he enforced rules about drinking etc and they broke them too often. And yes, that is correct too B&W, he got his replacements in first, but continued to manage them for the good of the football club until in the meantime. It is totally wrong to say that Bellamy was wrong to put himself first. Of course he did, everybody does. So does Souness by putting his ego before the good of the club. This alone should have been enough to sack Souness. Far rather a player who wants to play, and does, than one who isn't interested. I don't understand why some have this attitude, because they didn't think that of Bellamy when Bobby Robson was here. EDIT. Catching up .... it is also correct to point out that Alex Ferguson sold Whiteside and McGrath because they had injury problems too. Also to point out that he may make these decisions, but carries them out at the right time for the good of the club, not to satisfy his own ego. I always thought Stam was sold for 3 reasons. 1 Because of his book 2 because he also was not so motivated to manu and 3 Simply because they had the offer they wanted and in view of the first 2 points decided it was the right time. Again, the timing was right for the club, There is simply NO comparison between Souness and Ferguson. None.

no, nothing wrong. To repeat, give me a footballer who wants to play, and shows it every game, than one who isn't bothered if he does or not, or plays like he doesn't want to play. Of course he looks after himself, don't you ? What did you expect him to say, he'll be happy to sit on the bench ? Daft that man

spot on. These debates are going to go on and on until those who can't see the simplicity of it all .....

but They kept on winning, and he bought Rio Ferdinand, eventually. Seriously though, I know he is still playing in Italy etc, but wasn't the school of thought at the time that his motivation to play for manu had dipped ? You can't say that about Bellamy, he was the clubs top scorer and playing better than ever under Robson. 48240[/snapback] The top scorer thing isnt the best arguement though is it? He isnt and never has been a good goalscorer. His strengths are his pace and his running off the ball. His control is actually pretty poor. He looked good (better than he had for a while) but his demeanour and his attitude after that Norwich game - when his manager and the club needed unity - did it for me. the last straw. The Rio analogy is fair. There are always other players available. DO you know what I mean by that Norwich situation? The look on people faces in the pub after the game was one of incredulity. Then he said that and it said all we need to know about NUFC and the attitude of the players at the time. 48248[/snapback] There was absolutely nothing wrong with his attitude after the Norwich game. Any professional worth his salt wants to play. The trouble with Newcastle is that, on too many occasions in the last few years, and especially in the last year, there has been too many who have been on the pitch and not wanted to play. So how can you criticise someone who wanted to play and win ? The last straw for me with Souness, almost before he got his foot in the door, was when he took Bellamy off at Charlton, the best player on the field, and ruined any chance of winning the game. This decision lacked all credibility in a football sense, and as such was nothing other than him firing the first shot of a man hell bent on a confrontation, which we ALL knew he would do with the players when he got the job.

These players got the bullet after winning trophies, I don't understand how you can say it is alright for any manager to bin top players, it isn't. The important thing is that Ferguson is good, or great, at managing top players whereas Souness isn't, and selling Bellamy cost him his opportunity to build trust among fans that he was clued up football wise which is always the most important thing. If Souness had did that, he would have had a chance but he has cost the club a fortune just to massage his ego. See the link in my sig for an appraisal of his personality and whole approach to management. Anyway, since you didn't answer my previous question, I'll answer it for you, Neil/Lien/scoreboard/notaracist

but They kept on winning, and he bought Rio Ferdinand, eventually. Seriously though, I know he is still playing in Italy etc, but wasn't the school of thought at the time that his motivation to play for manu had dipped ? You can't say that about Bellamy, he was the clubs top scorer and playing better than ever under Robson.

I was over the moon when we bought Bellamy, my mate [the one in the other thread] thought I was mad, then he scored against the mackems and just took off from there. I know Bellamy should still be here, thats the tragic thing about it, and I bet he does himself too

I take it that was at me. No, I wasn't banned for racism, it was for getting into an argument which deteriorated into a slanging match, but for me, it is all water under the bridge now and also for the others concerned I am sure. Now, why don't you answer my question. Whats your excuse ? 48207[/snapback] No it wasnt you.However, racism is NEVER water under the bridge though. On that you are wrong. Me? I simply prefer to remind people of their problems. Personally, other than thinking you are very very wrong on Bellamy and obsessed by Souness, I have no problem with you either. 48210[/snapback] no, I said wasn't racism. It was just a slanging match, but it's all done and over, I let bygones be bygones in real life too, when apologies etc are genuine and meant in good spirit. As far as the football team goes, I am only interested in what goes on when players "cross the white line" - that is one of Souness' sayings. And another of his hypocritical ones. Bellamy may have been out of order calling his manager in public but a lot of things led to this. In pure football terms, Souness started it the day he subbed him at Charlton to make a point of authority, putting that before winning the game, as Bellamy was the best player on the field. Proper managers just do not do this, they recognise who their biggest assets are, and gain their respect, especially if they are spikey players with desire to get the best from them. I also go by results. And they speak for themselves. 48219[/snapback] so why hass Alan oliver been on national radio intimatating that he has a picture of Craig Bellamy making hand gestures at SBR? You assume Souness wasnt simply resting Bellamy. He had been carrying a knock and had been busy at the time. Souness isnt the answer. However, workers int he workplace do far more than work! That is why the likes of Ferguson/Moyes/Wenger get rid of those who stir up thte shite. Think Whiteside, strachan, Sharpe, Cole, Yorke at Man Utd , Blomquists public dressing down at Everton as examples. We need a new manager. We needed more professional players. If it was all about 'across the white line' I would agree with you. But it isnt. It is naive to suggest it is. 48224[/snapback] I don't consider myself naive ........ ! .... Don't you think Ferguson sold Cole and Yorke for football reasons, ie having won the European Cup, he didn't stand still, needed to freshen up the team etc...you can't stand still in football, and he bought Van Nistelrooy. It was Souness who sold Yorke and Cole for personality reasons, and Cole especially is still looking as fit and hungry as ever at 34. Whiteside, aye, was probably a knacker, but the difference betwen Ferguson and Souness is that Ferguson still has the ability to put out teams and motivate them and manage them into winning teams, Souness doesn't. I don't know if he had a problem with Strachan ? He had him at Aberdeen and he was part of a top team there who broke the Celtic - Rangers stranglehold, and won a european trophy as well. We def need a new manager. And hopefully it will be soon, because if it is there is still a lot to play for this season. 48226[/snapback] Yeah, we need a new manager. Ferguson reckons that Cole and Yorke has been around too long and got too comfortable. Coasting. Basically. Wrong attitude. Ferguson hated Strachan. Still does apparently. Strachan was an exceptional player and many Man Utd fans pointed to Strachan winning the league when he left as the problem Ferguson had with 'personalities'. Now there is a world of difference between Ferguson and Souness but they both demand players to be professional in every respect. Strachan was tolerated for the reasons you gave earlier. Hewas a bloody good player. Fergie then had enough. Strachan won the league and various individual honours. MAn Utd fans went mental. Who was right? there isnt a right answer. I personally feel Cole gets a rough ride when he returns but he deserves it for his daft song. Did more for NUFC than any forward player we have had in recent times other than PB and AS. 48227[/snapback] I think Strachan was a top top quality player personally, who didn't really get all the plaudits he deserved. I suppose that following Strachan going to Leeds, when Manu got Cantona from Leeds they got their own back though !

I take it that was at me. No, I wasn't banned for racism, it was for getting into an argument which deteriorated into a slanging match, but for me, it is all water under the bridge now and also for the others concerned I am sure. Now, why don't you answer my question. Whats your excuse ? 48207[/snapback] No it wasnt you.However, racism is NEVER water under the bridge though. On that you are wrong. Me? I simply prefer to remind people of their problems. Personally, other than thinking you are very very wrong on Bellamy and obsessed by Souness, I have no problem with you either. 48210[/snapback] no, I said wasn't racism. It was just a slanging match, but it's all done and over, I let bygones be bygones in real life too, when apologies etc are genuine and meant in good spirit. As far as the football team goes, I am only interested in what goes on when players "cross the white line" - that is one of Souness' sayings. And another of his hypocritical ones. Bellamy may have been out of order calling his manager in public but a lot of things led to this. In pure football terms, Souness started it the day he subbed him at Charlton to make a point of authority, putting that before winning the game, as Bellamy was the best player on the field. Proper managers just do not do this, they recognise who their biggest assets are, and gain their respect, especially if they are spikey players with desire to get the best from them. I also go by results. And they speak for themselves. 48219[/snapback] so why hass Alan oliver been on national radio intimatating that he has a picture of Craig Bellamy making hand gestures at SBR? You assume Souness wasnt simply resting Bellamy. He had been carrying a knock and had been busy at the time. Souness isnt the answer. However, workers int he workplace do far more than work! That is why the likes of Ferguson/Moyes/Wenger get rid of those who stir up thte shite. Think Whiteside, strachan, Sharpe, Cole, Yorke at Man Utd , Blomquists public dressing down at Everton as examples. We need a new manager. We needed more professional players. If it was all about 'across the white line' I would agree with you. But it isnt. It is naive to suggest it is. 48224[/snapback] I don't consider myself naive ........ ! .... Don't you think Ferguson sold Cole and Yorke for football reasons, ie having won the European Cup, he didn't stand still, needed to freshen up the team etc...you can't stand still in football, and he bought Van Nistelrooy. It was Souness who sold Yorke and Cole for personality reasons, and Cole especially is still looking as fit and hungry as ever at 34. Whiteside, aye, was probably a knacker, but the difference betwen Ferguson and Souness is that Ferguson still has the ability to put out teams and motivate them and manage them into winning teams, Souness doesn't. I don't know if he had a problem with Strachan ? He had him at Aberdeen and he was part of a top team there who broke the Celtic - Rangers stranglehold, and won a european trophy as well. We def need a new manager. And hopefully it will be soon, because if it is there is still a lot to play for this season.

Youre obsessed. Souness was never the answer on the field. However, he could spot an arsehole a mile away. He did and he got shot of them. Job done. Move on to proper manager now. If people arent bright enough to recognise the problems caused by Bellamy/Robert et al then that is their problem. Get an education. In the meantime...concentrate on real evil...racism. 48203[/snapback] you're right, finishing in the top 3 and 4 etc isan obsession, I tend to think players who get us to those positions are good players for the club. I'm obsessed with having more like them at the club. Totally obsessed in fact. I dream about them, all the time, I want more. And see the bold bit, you are obsessed as well it would seem. 48211[/snapback] NUFC looks at 'Kick Racism Out of Football' I will always be obsessed by the ignorance of intolerance in our ranks regartding that issue. I dream of more Michael Owen/Scott Parker/Emre types. Good professionals with talent. Not arseholes who think we should feel blessed they are ours. They never were good enough for that. As for top 4? Of course a good manager might get us back there. The current one wont but he has done his job. 2004 was an interesting year though. Speed, shearer and Woddgate basically left in various ways. Takes some replacing doesnt it? They are the players we miss. The other two are good but much more easily replaced than the type we really lost. Interesting that you never heard those 3 'proper' players whining like bitches. 48217[/snapback] I totally agree with you about Speed and Woodgate. I just think you have to bend to accomodate personalities sometimes, that is the managers job. Would you say that Alex Ferguson hasn't "managed" Roy Keane for years, he also has, and had, spikey players over the years, none more so than Cantona ? Do you think Souness would have sold or managed Cantona ?

I take it that was at me. No, I wasn't banned for racism, it was for getting into an argument which deteriorated into a slanging match, but for me, it is all water under the bridge now and also for the others concerned I am sure. Now, why don't you answer my question. Whats your excuse ? 48207[/snapback] No it wasnt you.However, racism is NEVER water under the bridge though. On that you are wrong. Me? I simply prefer to remind people of their problems. Personally, other than thinking you are very very wrong on Bellamy and obsessed by Souness, I have no problem with you either. 48210[/snapback] no, I said wasn't racism. It was just a slanging match, but it's all done and over, I let bygones be bygones in real life too, when apologies etc are genuine and meant in good spirit. As far as the football team goes, I am only interested in what goes on when players "cross the white line" - that is one of Souness' sayings. And another of his hypocritical ones. Bellamy may have been out of order calling his manager in public but a lot of things led to this. In pure football terms, Souness started it the day he subbed him at Charlton to make a point of authority, putting that before winning the game, as Bellamy was the best player on the field. Proper managers just do not do this, they recognise who their biggest assets are, and gain their respect, especially if they are spikey players with desire to get the best from them. I also go by results. And they speak for themselves.

Youre obsessed. Souness was never the answer on the field. However, he could spot an arsehole a mile away. He did and he got shot of them. Job done. Move on to proper manager now. If people arent bright enough to recognise the problems caused by Bellamy/Robert et al then that is their problem. Get an education. In the meantime...concentrate on real evil...racism. 48203[/snapback] you're right, finishing in the top 3 and 4 etc isan obsession, I tend to think players who get us to those positions are good players for the club. I'm obsessed with having more like them at the club. Totally obsessed in fact. I dream about them, all the time, I want more. And see the bold bit, you are obsessed as well it would seem.

I take it that was at me. No, I wasn't banned for racism, it was for getting into an argument which deteriorated into a slanging match, but for me, it is all water under the bridge now and also for the others concerned I am sure. Now, why don't you answer my question. Whats your excuse ?

http://www.thisisanfield.com/clubinfo.php?id=00000048 see the piece "Dicks joined his teammates as we lost on his debut to everton. Mark wards goal sparking a bust up with Bruce grobelaar and steve mcmanaman. The latter wasn’t the same for the remainder of the season. Souness praised both saying he wanted players to “fight for Liverpool” but surely this couldn’t be condoned. " gets the dressing room spirit going does our graeme doesn't he !

my 2 best mates are lads I met when I was 17, one who I have gone to the match with since, the other is a mackem who was at the 1973 cup final. We will be having a few jars and settling a few bets tomorrow whatever happens .... and the mackem was my best man when I got married, the the other mag is married to a mackem !

Bellamy played his guts out for the club, all the time. Thats all that matters. I hope you don't mean Souness deserves love and understanding When I was banned from the old toontastic, I changed my username to Nikos Heed because as Leazesmag I couldn't get on anymore. So what is your excuse ?

TBH and sad as I am, the reality is that I have to agree with PL. WE are stuck with this fuckwit manager. My last post till he goes, can't be interested in wasting so much negativity on this shitface. SOUNESS OUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 48101[/snapback] So are just using HTL again now? Think you have ridden out the RACIST storm? I dont think its easy to forget that sort of stuff. 48125[/snapback] ?

I would love to hit him in the face with a hammer. Harsh, but in fairness, true. 48031[/snapback] To be fair I don't see anything harsh in that at all. 48039[/snapback] Neanderthal man wouldnt though would he? At least UM knows it wrong! He has a brain though. 48098[/snapback] you am good boy, I tell from way you talk

And if police are not held accountable for their actions, then next time some trigger happy cop sees you with a shiney kit-kat wrapper you might get shot. http://www.godoskygentile.com/CM/Articles/Articles7.asp 48080[/snapback] rubbish

The only people who say he brandished the leg like a gun are the coppers who shot him. As they would. 47724[/snapback] likewise if anyone he knew had been there, they would have said he wasn't. As they would. Are you really saying you think a copper would go and shoot someone for absolutley nothing ? {BTW, I knew you would be saying that, but just wondered if you would spell it out] The point is, no one else was there, there is only one witness. Tough shit. 47969[/snapback] No I don't think they "just shot him" but I do think it seems over-zealous in the circumstances and its an easy chance for them to cover up something which was probably a mistake. However I think that miistake should not just be ignored. Theres only one witness one one side of the fence in lots of cases - most rapes for instance but they still sometimes get a chance of a trial. Turning your question around do you think coppers should be allowed to shoot people and "get away with it" with the use of a reasonably sounding excuse which can't be questioned? 47985[/snapback] the sole reason this thread was started was to motivate those like yourself who are anti police to start on about how reckless coppers are with guns, and persecute someone entrusted by the public to look after our safety, for shooting someone who I have, personally, no reason to doubt that, he thought had a gun and was himself about to be shot at. Thats because I trust the police in situations like this. If you don't, then it's your prerogative. Next time they might have a bomb or a gun, then what would you say. You appear to be completely unable to accept the fact that in these situations, the overall decision has to be made to put the public first, and if someone puts themselves in such a position as to cause suspicion upon themselves and their actions and intentions, then it is, as I said, tough shit. I would have more sense to do this, would you ?