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I'm not really for Souness and I appreciate Bellamy for the player he was. Both are to blame for what happened imo. The point I was trying to make is that you can't use an alleged incident to have a go at Souness/to back up Bellamy then complain when people list the many alleged incidents Bellamy was involved in to have a go at the player. He was class but he carried a lot of baggage and we've now got a better, more professional player in my view, albeit at a far greater price. You might say I'm pleasantly surprised at the outcome 37114[/snapback] If you think Owen has replaced Bellamy you are dreaming. Owen is Shearers long term replacement, because the club certainly won't have another 15m quid next summer to replace Shearer. Because of Souness, the club has spent the money put by to replace Shearer before he has retired. There are a few accountants / economists out there who will see this .......

Simple question. According to you, he has suddenly became a "poisonous little shit" since Souness came in, and he left ? Why ? You said it, not me. Was he earlier or wasn't he ? If not, why ? Fact is, you are proving the point that appointing TErry Macdermott wasn't a waste of money, accepting the spin and character assasination of a player his boss wanted rid of. Not surprising though, they knew the ones with rose tinted specs would believe it, and there are quite a few out there

Phil. Is there any proof this is true ? Even if it is, doesn't it tell you something ? Why text Shearer, due to him feeling bitter about being pushed out of the club ? Does Shearer indeed have too much influence ? Is the club being run by a clique ? Both these scenarios are bad news, very bad news. Very worrying. 36890[/snapback] LM, I find it incredible that even if you were to accept the texting story as true, you would still absolve Bellamy from any blame. Instead it's Shearer's fault for having too much influence and worrying evidence of the club being run by a clique. You seem to suggest it has nothing at all to do with Craig Bellamy being a poisonous little shit. 37104[/snapback] As I said earlier Gemmil, why didn't you tell us that Bellamy was a "poisonous little shit" before Souness came........ of course, its because he was playing or Newcastle ! Rose tinted specs and all that ....... I predict that when Souness is sacked, you will still not admit you are/were wrong, and will make up some excuse for his crap performance

I think it's quite amazing the fact the amount of people who are turning against a player just because he's left Newcastle and didn't want to go, then imply they can make a realistic judgement of a player or a manager without wearing rose tinted specs

Were you at the game Alex ? No chance with any of those goals mate, and his other 10 team mates were chasing shadows

Apart from the fact it was, allegedly, witnessed by more than a few others ..... As the same guy tried to break his own players leg on the training ground at Blackburn, I wouldn't put it past him would you ?

who was at SJP, on the day which is the subject of my sig What did you think at the time, did you agree ?

Ah, but he won it with Celtic. Winning the Scottish title with either Rangers or Celtic is no great achievement, but if someone could do it with Hearts.... 35538[/snapback] If someone did it with Hearts, and followed it up with a few more years of success, definite big potential. The difference between Ferguson, Souness and O'Neill, is that 2 of them have the intelligence to realise they are operating in a different league, and so have to adopt different standards, whereas one of them is so stupid ......... What I mean is, if O'Neill replaces Souness, he'll get a fair chance from me at least because he at least has a brain to realise the obvious, whereas fuckwit has masqueraded as a manager for almost 20 years on the back of winning the SPL.

If they like making excuses, the manager in my sig is Tailor-made for them mate

Now that we have Owen, I don't think we will be relegated. However I now expect the Souness apologists, they know who they are, to say that a mid table to 14th position in the premiership justifies Souness 's actions in "clearing out the disruptive influences for 40m quid" as their expectations have now been lowered, exactly as some of us predicted . Clairvoyant ? No, just not wearing rose tinted specs when judging anyone connected with Newcastle United, and taking them off when they are not ....... Relegated. Sunderland, and any 2 from West Brom, Portsmouth, Wigan, and West Ham.

Phil. Is there any proof this is true ? Even if it is, doesn't it tell you something ? Why text Shearer, due to him feeling bitter about being pushed out of the club ? Does Shearer indeed have too much influence ? Is the club being run by a clique ? Both these scenarios are bad news, very bad news. Very worrying. Bellamy should have texted Souness, or one of his coaching staff, not his team mate and captain. Something must be very wrong at the club for a player to take a step like that. Thats what needs addressing, not kicking out the player who brings the matter to the attention of us the fans and others, however it was leaked and became public knowledge. I believe some, including Souness, call it a "poisonous cancer"

Could you please explain to me what objection you have to a player wanting to play football ? Unless you would rather have a Marcelino or some idle twat happy to sit on the bench ? Bellamys comment epitomised his attitude on the field. He wants to play, and to win. He wanted to play, and to win, more than most of his team mates, and that is the only influence he had on his team mates. As fuckwit said, in another of his brainstorming hypocrisies, "I'm only interested in what happens when you cross the white line".

Not true actually... When all this kicked off back in January, Strachan commented that he had 'issues' with Bellamy when he was managing him at Coventry... I have heard rumours that the reason Celtic didn't make a permanent move for him was because Strachan vehemently didn't want him - never heard that bit confirmed though... 36645[/snapback] I heard Strachan also say that he was a good player and great to have at the club ! Thing is Craig, managers are paid to handle footballers full stop. And you never, never, sell your best ones, unless they themselves want to leave. Souness has chickened out of it like he always does, we would be a better team with Bellamy in it and that is all that matters.

thing is though Gem, did you tell us this when he was here under Bobby Robson ? If not, why not ? 36380[/snapback] No. Because I'm not a clairvoyant. 36382[/snapback] I added to the last. Being a clairvoyant is quite easy sometimes .......... 36383[/snapback] Robert and Bellamy both gone in somewhat controversial circumstances. Both guilty of causing bother at other clubs they've been at, and with a reputation for being trouble-makers. You're right, I should have seen it sooner. 36384[/snapback] along with Andy Cole, Dwight Yorke, both troublemakers under Alex Ferguson, Kevin Keegan, Brian Little, and David Dunn at Birmingham as well.. And others at Souness' other clubs ..... Never Souness is it 36386[/snapback] We're talking about Craig Bellamy though. And the fact that you could foresee trouble between Bellamy and Souness before it actually started is as much of a reflection on Bellamy as it is on Souness, do you not agree? With regards to Andy Cole - Keegan himself said that he was very difficult to work with. And Dwight Yorke? Well if I saw my underperforming striker photographed spilling out of nightclubs with his face buried in Jordan's cleavage every other day, I'd have a problem with him too - Yorke had a chip on his shoulder after leaving Man United for a lesser club and he isn't the first or last. But both of these are irrelevant to our discussion of Bellamy. 36387[/snapback] No, I don't see, and don't agree. No other manager Bellamy has had has complained about him except Souness. Andy Cole may have been slightly spikey, but lots of players are. Keegan, Ferguson, Chris Coleman and now a new manager in Pearce is handling him, that is why they are paid big money, to manage men. They are all wrong and Souness is right ? The sad thing is, Souness is such an idiot he still thinks they were wrong and he is right. And actually, I foresaw Souness having a problem with several players, in particular Dyer, but mainly Bellamy and Robert because they are flair players as he always does. Remember he also got rid of Beardsley and replaced him with Saunders ... hoho what a joke that is eh ! He now says Dyer is a model professional and handed him a 20 grand a week rise. Souness is a joke, who the hell is buying that one ? And it is all relevant to Bellamy. Souness chucked him out because he couldn't be bothered to handle and man manage a good player for this football club, and people like yourself who now hurling venom at Bellamy didn't do it when he was here ? Nor before Souness came. Why was that ? Is it because he isn't a Newcastle player anymore ? Do you judge players differently when they put a black and white shirt on ? This takes us back to rose tinted specs ....... BTW, were you at the game which is the subject of my sig ? Did you agree with that at the time ? You see, some of us stick to our opinions and don't change them on account of the manager or player being involved with Newcastle or not.

thing is though Gem, did you tell us this when he was here under Bobby Robson ? If not, why not ? 36380[/snapback] No. Because I'm not a clairvoyant. 36382[/snapback] I added to the last. Being a clairvoyant is quite easy sometimes .......... 36383[/snapback] Robert and Bellamy both gone in somewhat controversial circumstances. Both guilty of causing bother at other clubs they've been at, and with a reputation for being trouble-makers. You're right, I should have seen it sooner. 36384[/snapback] along with Andy Cole, Dwight Yorke, both troublemakers under Alex Ferguson, Kevin Keegan, Brian Little, and David Dunn at Birmingham as well.. And others at Souness' other clubs ..... Never Souness is it

thing is though Gem, did you tell us this when he was here under Bobby Robson ? If not, why not ? 36380[/snapback] No. Because I'm not a clairvoyant. 36382[/snapback] I added to the last. Being a clairvoyant is quite easy sometimes ..........

thing is though Gem, did you tell us this, and he was such a "disruptive influence" when he was here under Bobby Robson ? If not, why not ? Lets face it, we ALL said when Souness came he would alienate players and disrupt the club.

I like you And I hated seeing him playing for the other side. But, I guess there's no surprise there. I'm not even going to get into the bellamy argument, because despite everything, I'm still biased... *hopeless* 36206[/snapback] agreed, I think. Seeing Bellamy playing against Newcastle was the same as seeing Les Ferdinand playing against Newcastle. Both sold by fuckwits that destroyed a good team.

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no it wasn't, of course this is right, you don't change your manager if you are happy with what you have. We were still 5th though, and dived down the league by quite a distance afterwards. The summer is also of course, the best time to make a change but if you get the right man it doesn't matter too much when you do it really. Lot of truth in the comment about Shearer there. And also I agree the standard in the premiership is not so good as it was. On one hand we have many more "more technical foreigners" but on the other hand we have more occasions when players seem to just go through the motions ie the mental attitude has changed too. Take your pick. For me, back in the 70's or whenever, football was more enjoyable than now and players gave more good committed performances than now, but that is also to do with the fact that they are rich [the top ones anyway] Even going back a decade, the team we had at Newcastle would still be challenging for the title, despite some places I have read where it is claimed that the standard has "continued to improve".

take the rose tinted specs off....I think giving a 27 year old who cost 9.5 m quid a year to settle is a no no, he's a senior professional. He's not even a young player like Viana. Luque didn't show much application for me, and that won't change however much it takes him to "settle". Time will tell. The ultimate gamble IMO, by a manager who created a desperate situation for himself. Unfortunately it is 9.5 m quid of the clubs money if he doesn't and I only hope that if he doesn't, people don't demand fred to splash more cash and point the finger at the real culprit instead 35762[/snapback] LM I don't know how you can accuse someone of wearing rose tinted specs for wanting to give a player more than one and a half games to prove themselves. Especially when you seem to be wearing blinkers brought on by your hatred of Souness. 35765[/snapback] Gemmil. Say the name of a few dozen premiership players, how many would you want at Newcastle ? Are you judging them because of how you see them, or because they aren't playing for Newcastle. Isn't that a quick judgement too ? Or would you see them differently if they played for Newcastle ? There is nothing wrong with making quick judgements if you know what you are lookign for in players. Far be it for you to ever admit YOU are wrong about anything anyway mind ..... 36014[/snapback] Your first paragraph makes no sense. As for the second paragraph - when you haven't given the player enough time to show that he has "what you are looking for" then there's quite a lot wrong with making quick judgements. The bloke's played a game and a half, FFS. As for me admitting I'm wrong - I'm not wrong. You're talking shite borne out of your dislike of Souness. 36036[/snapback] you've been talking shite for months saying Souness should be allowed to stay at Newcastle.....don't criticise Shepherd for not sacking him earlier, when he eventually does, as you are agreeing with shepherd now. 36167[/snapback] You've completely lost me. What you on about? Shepherd what? I'm talking about judging Luque after less than two games mate. Fuck knows what you're talking about. 36170[/snapback] I think it's pretty obviuos....you've been talking shite defending Souness for months ....... 36172[/snapback] Are we still discussing the merits of judging a player after one game or have we moved onto random insults? Just so I know. 36173[/snapback] random insults ? Do you have a selective memory, so far as I can see, you said I was talking shite first ! Do you ever admit to anything ? Anyway, I haven't wrote him off, but I have said I am not convinced about Luque, yes after only a small look. Those of you who are saying how good he is after a small look are equally making a quick judgement. I don't think there is anything wrong with a quick judgement, it depends what you are looking for, and some are better judges than others. How many of you said Jenas, Kluivert and Viana would be top players as soon as they signed ? [an instant judgement, but the wrong, rose tinted spec one]. Even until almost the time they left in the case of the first two. How many of you said Ameobi would be Shearers replacement ? And don't lie, some of you know you did. Time will tell. But I was right about Ameobi, Kluivert and Jeanarse to name 3. And Bellamy being a top player when others simply churned out goal statistics.

take the rose tinted specs off....I think giving a 27 year old who cost 9.5 m quid a year to settle is a no no, he's a senior professional. He's not even a young player like Viana. Luque didn't show much application for me, and that won't change however much it takes him to "settle". Time will tell. The ultimate gamble IMO, by a manager who created a desperate situation for himself. Unfortunately it is 9.5 m quid of the clubs money if he doesn't and I only hope that if he doesn't, people don't demand fred to splash more cash and point the finger at the real culprit instead 35762[/snapback] LM I don't know how you can accuse someone of wearing rose tinted specs for wanting to give a player more than one and a half games to prove themselves. Especially when you seem to be wearing blinkers brought on by your hatred of Souness. 35765[/snapback] Gemmil. Say the name of a few dozen premiership players, how many would you want at Newcastle ? Are you judging them because of how you see them, or because they aren't playing for Newcastle. Isn't that a quick judgement too ? Or would you see them differently if they played for Newcastle ? There is nothing wrong with making quick judgements if you know what you are lookign for in players. Far be it for you to ever admit YOU are wrong about anything anyway mind ..... 36014[/snapback] Your first paragraph makes no sense. As for the second paragraph - when you haven't given the player enough time to show that he has "what you are looking for" then there's quite a lot wrong with making quick judgements. The bloke's played a game and a half, FFS. As for me admitting I'm wrong - I'm not wrong. You're talking shite borne out of your dislike of Souness. 36036[/snapback] you've been talking shite for months saying Souness should be allowed to stay at Newcastle.....don't criticise Shepherd for not sacking him earlier, when he eventually does, as you are agreeing with shepherd now. 36167[/snapback] You've completely lost me. What you on about? Shepherd what? I'm talking about judging Luque after less than two games mate. Fuck knows what you're talking about. 36170[/snapback] I think it's pretty obviuos....you've been talking shite defending Souness for months .......

so who thought he was good after one game then ? Not me. I'm sure some on this messsage board said we had made a great buy, even before he'd played a game ..... Once again, I am not writing Luque off. I just don't see every player that signs for Newcastle through rose tinted specs.

take the rose tinted specs off....I think giving a 27 year old who cost 9.5 m quid a year to settle is a no no, he's a senior professional. He's not even a young player like Viana. Luque didn't show much application for me, and that won't change however much it takes him to "settle". Time will tell. The ultimate gamble IMO, by a manager who created a desperate situation for himself. Unfortunately it is 9.5 m quid of the clubs money if he doesn't and I only hope that if he doesn't, people don't demand fred to splash more cash and point the finger at the real culprit instead 35762[/snapback] LM I don't know how you can accuse someone of wearing rose tinted specs for wanting to give a player more than one and a half games to prove themselves. Especially when you seem to be wearing blinkers brought on by your hatred of Souness. 35765[/snapback] Gemmil. Say the name of a few dozen premiership players, how many would you want at Newcastle ? Are you judging them because of how you see them, or because they aren't playing for Newcastle. Isn't that a quick judgement too ? Or would you see them differently if they played for Newcastle ? There is nothing wrong with making quick judgements if you know what you are lookign for in players. Far be it for you to ever admit YOU are wrong about anything anyway mind ..... 36014[/snapback] Your first paragraph makes no sense. As for the second paragraph - when you haven't given the player enough time to show that he has "what you are looking for" then there's quite a lot wrong with making quick judgements. The bloke's played a game and a half, FFS. As for me admitting I'm wrong - I'm not wrong. You're talking shite borne out of your dislike of Souness. 36036[/snapback] you've been talking shite for months saying Souness should be allowed to stay at Newcastle.....don't criticise Shepherd for not sacking him earlier, when he eventually does, as you are agreeing with shepherd now.

Or Henry 36062[/snapback] A year?! Each of them would have been given 90 minutes by LM. Not a minute more! 36065[/snapback] or Kluivert