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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4222026.stm what do you think of this ? What does Rob think .... !!!! Starts "standing on street corners, not bothering anyone or not breaking any laws"

That wasn't their money though was it. It was our money that we've ploughed into the club through ticket and merchendise sales, and via Sky Sports for our subscriptions. 29290[/snapback] It isn't. If you buy a pair of jeans, it's the shops. If you buy a fridge, it's the shops, ultimately the company. If you buy a ticket for the match, it's the clubs ! They are supposed to re-invest in top players befitting Newcastle United, and run the football club at a high level and compete for top quality players with the money, which they have done. Although, they don't have to. The old directors didn't and there are plenty of other clubs that don't, or don't take risks. There is one 12 miles down the road who are run by a bunch of utter crap directors for instance. 29320[/snapback] I don't think he was doing anything other than making it clear that the £17m or so that has been spent this Summer (a net figure, based on transfers in recent times, ignoring various other sources of revenue) were not personal funds injected by the Halls and/or Shepherds. Phrases like "getting his wallet out" only further establish a mis-conception/falsehood that money outlayed is something we should be particularly thankful for, when those in charge are merely doing their job of spending the club's money (money which has recently departed our pockets - arguments about whether we're consumers, donors or spiritual owners of the club are for another thread). Whether they spend the money spend, horde or invest the money wisely is left for us individuals to judge. Those who guide Bolton plan their strategy around one central fact - they guide Bolton. As Maynard Keynes said, "When the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do?". Should the people at Bolton come to Newcastle, they would, in all likelihood, approach things in quite a different manner, applying their financial nouse in ways appropriate to their new surroundings. There would be greater income, greater natural momentum and, generally speaking, greater potential. 29433[/snapback] You could equally apply that criteria to the directors of the likes of Villa, Leeds, Everton, mackems, Spurs, for instance, over the years. They all have greater potential than Bolton too. In fact, how many of those have spent the money we have and attempted to compete at the level we have done in the last decade ? Whether or not they spend the money wisely ? Now that is a question that should be aimed at the managers, unless you think it is the chairman who chooses who to buy and sell, which he doesn't.

Well, I don't mean to sound so harsh .... but he just boils my piss

got it in one. People who know what it takes to be WINNERS, will tell you he was a waste of space. "A treat for everyone" ? First time I set eyes on him I thought he was a lazy, inconsistent arsehole that should have never got anywhere near SJP. Along with letting Venison go, and Fazackerly, Keegans biggest mistake by a millions miles. Legend my arse. I could shoot the fucker, not a bad idea actually seeing as he spent his time shooting guns for some reason .......... I despise him, and his type, almost as much as clueless Souness, and thats saying something.

That wasn't their money though was it. It was our money that we've ploughed into the club through ticket and merchendise sales, and via Sky Sports for our subscriptions. 29290[/snapback] It isn't. If you buy a pair of jeans, it's the shops. If you buy a fridge, it's the shops, ultimately the company. If you buy a ticket for the match, it's the clubs ! They are supposed to re-invest in top players befitting Newcastle United, and run the football club at a high level and compete for top quality players with the money, which they have done. Although, they don't have to. The old directors didn't and there are plenty of other clubs that don't, or don't take risks. There is one 12 miles down the road who are run by a bunch of utter crap directors for instance.

Sorry mate can't help you there, my HDD is 80 gigs but not formatted it yet since it was new anyway. You touched on something I have found though, I meant CD-RW disks BTW, but I have tried to use a DVD-R for permanent storage of mp3 files and some utilities instead of a CD-R or CD-RW, and I have tried formatting the disk to use Nero In-CD and Roxio Direct CD, but the DVD writer won't recognise the format. It will only put them onto CD-R or CD-RW disks. Is this normal ?

Some people say he didn't put in the money mate, just made guarantees. Of course, even if he did that, he took a risk and deserved some rewards. Whether he has had more than enough for his efforts though, is open to question. Remember though, it was Sir John who did it, not Dogless. Personally I haven't got an issue with giving out divis if they are justified, I say that because I'm as pissed off as anyone at the close shaves we've had and after decades of not winning owt I want to win the FA Cup soon, if not the title of course, and want to be there to see it too, having suffered all our 4 Wembley Cup Final defeats. I also don't have a problem with some of the board ie Freddie getting paid, why should anyone work for nowt ? The main problem to me is the money which goes to Gibraltar if this is in large amounts. The club has backed it's managers enough to be successful, but the point Rob makes is relevant to this area, at least it is for me. So, I think it is very unfair to heap all the blame onto Shepherd, he isn't even the biggest shareholder, nor does he have overall control of the club. I just wish he would keep his gob shut and stop making himself look stupid in the press. I also don't agree with the view that it is "our money". It isn't, once you have spent on something at the club, it's the clubs - like anything else you buy ! And I'm not sticking up for Shepherd....HE/THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE APPOINTED SOUNESS !

Chicken Vindaloo

I thougth at first impression 8m was a bit low. You also have to take into consideration the money we have spent/spending on the ground. Liverpool haven't done this. It all counts. That chart gets some people wound up, but I think those who do are just using it as a stick to beat the board with because they have it in their minds that because we have won nothing, it's because the board haven't stumped up cash ie the answer to all ills is to spend money. It isn't. Arsenal have spent less than us, pretty sure about that, but would like a link. If Liverpool have spent more than us, net, in the last 8 years or so, then that makes us the 4th biggest spenders, not 3rd. Hardly a disaster ............. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Despite his many faults, the only reason people think Shepherd doesn't back his managers is because they haven't seen, or forgotten what it was like, to have a chairman who didn't back his managers. I agree with Gemmil that Liverpools net spend sounds a lot, and if true must have something to do with the fact they wouldn't match our bid for Owen !!!!!! ChocChip...I think the directors are paid according to their "job"...ie differently, the only person who takes a significant "wage" is Shepherd, as chairman. The others are mainly divis like everyone else who has shares, although much has been made of the Gibraltar connection, but that is mainly Dogless so I believe, someone else will have to go into that one.

Links pse. And what about Arsenal ?

Said this for a while. Yes I know the Halls [not FF] are apparently taking about 4m out of the club a year [might be wrong, accounting whizz kids ..... ] and it's a lot, but not a lot in football terms either. It would hardly make that big a difference to our success on the pitch, especially if the managers blow it on crap like they have done. All our managers have had more than enough money to be successful in my view, and if they were, none of us would be too bothered about these accounts.

yep i use the freebie zonealarm

yes. Good idea if you have problems like you have, but first get a CD-Rw disk or two and transfer any data you want to keep. Before you do the above, you could try running an up to date pop up stopper, and spyware utility because any spyware you have particularly can slow down your PC quite a lot. Also disable any start up programmes you don't want anymore. Defrag your pc as well, you should do this on a regular basis. All these things help, but you might be surprised at how much a difference a spyware cleaner like Spybot or Ad-aware might quicken it up.

Mott by Mott the Hoople. Used to have it, just downloaded. As good as ever was.

2 tracks to go to that one .......

why are you surprised ?? I'd have thought the club would have been aware of this before he signed.. Anyway, we can either choose to sign internationals or not, is how I see it personally like.....

agreed. It's just chanting - crap of the highest order. 28734[/snapback] I hope you're not getting down on Gregorian chant now. 28736[/snapback] you'll have to enlighten me on this one mate....I just turn the shite off

agreed. It's just chanting - crap of the highest order.

Tommy by The Who

I didn't either. Never ceases to amaze me what women see in some blokes. I mean, Kate Moss - and a cretin like him. And it can't be for money, she's got plenty of her own 28013[/snapback] It's because she's an attention whore who likes to be associated with 'dangerous types'. They deserve each other. 28087[/snapback] maybe you're right. But - she would get plenty of attention anyway.....and you wouldn't turn her down any more than I would !!!

I didn't either. Never ceases to amaze me what women see in some blokes. I mean, Kate Moss - and a cretin like him. And it can't be for money, she's got plenty of her own

tks mate

where are they in windows xp ?

I reckon Beckham wanting to play through the middle is just a case of him thinking he's better than he is. In the middle, he's ordinary, he only lends the ball to players, and wants it too much. Yesterday he played far too deep. Out on the right though, he's a different kettle of fish. The whipped in ball he hits is the most dangerous ball in the game and he hits it brilliantly. He should stick to what he does best.

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