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Oooooo yeah - them bastards! Getting closed down for being illegal and stuff! 38789[/snapback] aye ! I've mostly used it lately for stuff you can't buy though. Honest !!

I'm only making the point that a good start isn't always a good guide to a good boss. I'm not saying Pearce won't be a good one, he might, but you don't know until he has exercised his own judgement in the transfer market and managed a team [of good players who were mostly already there] for more than about 20 games. He has said that himself BTW, so I don't think he would find it insulting. I don't know what you have against Keegan Sima, but I look forward to someone else putting us in the title race again one day.

yes, it was toonpants. What is your relationship with wiley ?

bastards !

is anyone that uses it having trouble connecting ?

they weren't plummetting...they were above us anyway ! He said he was going, and its a proven fact that instability at a football club affects the players. We don't know if Pearce would have changed much if he had more money or not, but it's unlikely he would be as stupid as Souness and make wholesale changes to team that had been doing well/making progress for the previous few seasons. I don't agree anything is insulting to Pearce, he hasn't done anything yet. Until he has bought and sold more players of his own choice, his judgement in the transfer market is unknown. Remember John Gregory ? Won his first 8 games as manager of Villa ? What happened to him. As for despising Souness, yes I do. I despise him because he's a shit manager with zero man management skills, and I don't want him at Newcastle. Also because he's a hypocrite, a bully and a thug, who thinks it's alright to pick up a member of his playing staff by the throat, and to try and break anothers leg in training. But - I don't put on rose tinted specs © depending on whether or not someone is attached to Newcastle. Craig Bellamy gave everything to this club, didn't want to leave, and called no one but the manager. Those who supported him when he was here, and now say they are glad to get rid, believing the spin put out to discredit him are just gullible in my view, there is no excuse for adopting such naive views. If he was such a pain you should have told us all you wanted rid of him under Bobby Robson. And I'm not biased for Keegan. Or rather I am, but only to the point where we challenged for the title for the first time in 70 odd years ..... if thats biased lets have more of it, but we won't get it under Souness. I made my judgement about Souness, and if I'm wrong then results will prove it to be the case, not a bunch of press statements.

whats the odds in a short while we see Souness has put us in the same boat ? You seem to miss the point mate, Keegan took over from Royle when they were relegated from the premiership, dispirited and going nowhere. He left them firmly established back in the premiership, with a good set of players on the way upwards [or not to be pedantic, going upwards until he announced he was retiring]

canny point, of course we can agree or disagree without arguing who's seen the club the most etc Anyway ....... I agree with PL and others, which I've stated since day 1. The point put forward by Souness that he now has a "happy dressing room" etc etc is an insult to a manager respected throughout football , there is absolutely no way a team finishes in the top 5 for 3 years and qualifies for the 2nd phase of the Champions League with anything other than a happy dressing room. For Souness to peddle such things is disgraceful, and also leads onto the fact that if he can convince himself such a thing is true, what other lies, stories, myths can he conjure up and believe them too ? I really think Souness should keep his mouth shut until he matches Bobby Robsons league position before he compares his team to that one in any shape or form whatsoever. And really, no offence but I cannot understand how people just believe what he says, when you see the resultant poor performances and subsequent dive in results.

I've seen them play a fair bit. I don't have a season ticket anymore as I've been investing in my studio and money's a bit tight. I get to cup games whenever I can which to be fair is about as much as I can be arsed with. It's obvious to me that Bellamy could scare a defence. Having said that, he didn't score as many as he should have IMO. My point is that sometimes in an organisation you have to get rid of an individual for the good of the "whole". 38607[/snapback] Whats that got to do with being an armchair supporter ? And nice to see you only bother going when "you can be arsed" Also, football isn't a "business" in the normal way, are you one of those who thinks fans are "customers"

Interesting post AF but you're wasting your breath tbh. 38596[/snapback] are you another who's view of someone depends upon if they are on the books of Newcastle or not, ie rose tinted specs ©

Well, one young player who was reported by Saunders for texting Bellamy has been kicked out of the club, and another first team player who supported him has been sold... Not childish this Souness is he ? Are you aware that he tried to break his own players leg when he was at Blackburn / And, how many times have you seen Newcastle play, seeing as you broached the subject ?

you're quite correct, without team spirit you won't have a top 4, 3 or 5 team, and qualify for the champions league. Mind you, the inspiration for your username had workrate and attitude in abundance ....... Expert ? Sometimes .... Armchair ? How many times have you seen Newcastle play ?

"Must sell" best players. Mad. Straight from the Lord Westwood and Stan Seymour school of how to run a football club.

"plummetting down the league". We were also told that Bobby Robsons team were starting a downward spiral too.... It may well be correct that, having announced he [Keegan] was going, the team and club lost their focus, this is what normally happens in this scenario. But, as Pearce has had the sense not to make wholesale changes to a good crop of players, [Keegans players], unlike fuckwit it's still essentially Keegans team and Pearce will live or die when he makes his own changes, in time. I'm not really in any camp, just stating the obvious that is proven by results. Souness is a fuckwit of a man-manager, who will never, ever, ever, build a team that will get the results for Newcastle United to match the one Keegan did. ... and this was the sentence I used, which you didn't really answer anyway ....

try reading newspapers with reports and articles by proper football supporters, not pompous arseholes

no offence, but your cousin may well be suffering from the same type of amnesia that grips some Newcastle fans, like those on here that supported Bellamy at the time he was instrumental in propelling a mid table team with no pace and creativity, into one which qualified for the Champions League in 4th place, and yes, briefly, until he himself Bellamy, was injured, entered the fringe of the title race, and 2nd place for a week or two, a fact which Alex Ferguson acknowledges. But now Bellamy has gone, have adopted their rose tinted specs © Tell him to look at where they were under Joe Royle, when Keegan took over, and where they were, including the calibre of player they had, when Keegan left. And there is his answer.

I think you're talking a fair bit of sense. I don't think Souness is the answer, I also don't think he's the devil incarnate. There's a few on here (though really not many) who are not listening to the facts, there always is. I'm just saying you seem to have become as nad as them on the other side. When's the last time you gave any ground in this debate? I just think you're being OTT, but at least you're not being HTT! 38277[/snapback] cheers for that mate, I looked at it and thought it was rambling on and wasn't going to post it, then thought "bollix, time for the pub, post it and sort it later"... !!! Got in late too, just hoping I didn't post any real shite ....... time to get ready for the game today now

I know Keegan is now a long time ago although even the 2004-05 version has left a good set of players at Man City, heading upwards too, [don't kid yourself about Pearce, they would be where they are this morning if Keegan was there too IMO] but again, he set new standards, my point is simply that we must appoint a manager who we think will get us to that standard, or there is no point in appointing him. None whatsoever. To be fair to Shepherd, he thought Dalglish, Gullit and Bobby Robson were all capable of that, and there wasn't too many disagreeing voices at the time either, only with Souness. If you think back to Keegans last season, after the 5-0 win over manu, most people thought we would go on and make the breakthrough, I remember Andy Gray saying so in the aftermath of it on sky, and the psychological aspect of that win would be big. Unfortunately, it's obvious now that in the following few months the cracks widened that led to Keegan going, and it's a fact that when you get problems behind the scenes they do transmit themselves down to the players, that is when the challenge for the title died that year. When we were 5th in the league under Bobby Robson, the team was at a crossroads, the policy of buying top youngsters was clearly flawed although still with merits, but what it didn't need was wholesale changes like Souness has made, all we needed was a few good buys in the right areas to freshen things up, such as a central defender, a long term replacement for Shearer and yes a central midfield player in the mould of Rob Lee, like Parker IMO anyway. [Assuming we had also kept Solano, which was a foolish sale like Bellamy has been] And by this I mean to add to the quality players already at the club, not selling them and creating more holes to fill.

As far as I remember with Dunn, Souness said his social life was his biggest downfall, where is he now? constantly injured but always on the piss... 38323[/snapback] aye but wouldn't his ex distract you a little bit like [he's had a serious injury though hasn't he ? ]

what do you mean, they weren't really 5th. They were 5th. You see, this is the type of statement put out, and not just by you, but also by Gemmill, Craig and others, which is without a shadow of doubt angling for an excuse for Souness fucking up the team rather than admit they are wrong. Our position as compared to the mackems has nothing to do with it. The mackems have not spent the last decade buying world class players, playing in europe, being runners up in the premiership twice, and playing in 2 FA Cup Finals. For me, its all about standards. Keegan found Newcastle United operating in a dead mans position, accepting not just 2nd best, but demanding the titles, the cups, and all the honours that go with it. So, why should you settle for less ? Souness is inferior. It's black and white, there is no grey. He isn't good enough. Neither are certain players at the club. Have you seen manu fans and the phrase "he is a good player but he isn't good enough for us "? This is the attitude we should deploy at Newcastle, and is the attitude that Keegan did. So. Souness is shite, he always has been and always will be. Despite being in the game for nearly 20 years as a "manager", he still has not put together a team anywhere near a top team, or a team that gets anywhere near the top quality team that Keegan gave us. This is our standard.

You may believe you will be right in the end, and you may we be so.... But to say that you will is very narrow-minded. None of us know what the future holds - 16 years ago, Alex Ferguson was labelled a 'liability' and it was believed by many of the OT supporters that the longer he was in charge, the longer the period without a league championship Man Utd would go... 16 years on, he's delivered 9 championships and has been one of the most successful club managers in the history of the game. Now I'm not saying for one minute that Souness will deliver the same, but I wonder how many fans would have believed you if you'd told them the success he was about to bring? Not many I wager... 38276[/snapback] I was up in Scotland, near Aberdeen, when he was manager there. I saw what he did, and what he was like, I wanted us to get him matey Saying that I will be right in the end, is a retort to those who I feel are wrong to say Souness should be given more time, and the absured notion that it means me and the others who think the same actually want Newcastle to lose, when all we want is what we think is the best for the club, the same as everyone. Because - pretty much all of us said when he came he would alienate our flair players and take us down the league...so why have they changed their tune? - all myself and other like Renton are saying is we stick by our original opinion.

I think Renton's a top poster on this forum and I often bow to your superior knowledge on football but I think you've lost the plot a little on Souness. It's all "some of us predicted" this and "rose tinted specs" that. "Whatever but we're right in the end." Seems a bit close minded doesn't it? Almost like one of thsoe who believes all the propaganda. 38263[/snapback] The "propaganda" is the of the Souness orientated type though ..... I don't think I'm close minded at all, I just think I will be proved right in the end. But I don't expect those who are wearing rose tinted specs © to admit they were wrong, thats all. Unfortunately, we aren't riding high like we were under Keegan, I wish we were. And THAT is another area, where facts were distored by "propaganda" among those who dilute down and don't appreciate what he did for the club. I wonder how many people who say Souness should have more time are also the ones who say things like Keegan "won nowt", or "spent loads of money and jacked in" etc etc...rather inconsistent and blinding themselves to the facts...to compare Keegans team with any team Souness has EVER built, and their individual management skills, is mind boggling .... The only thing I go by is results mate. Souness is shite, always has been. Creates problems everywhere he goes. Fact. And I just cannot see the point in keeping a manager who is not the right man, can you ? Sorry to repeat it as well, but I'm 100% sure he won't match Bobby Robson, never mind Keegan, which is why he's supposed to be here.

plenty of kiddies forums around for you and your mate you know, cartoon network .. things like that - on 2nd thoughts my daughter talks more sense on there than you do on here and is more worthwhile than you and spongebrain

of course, but some of us predicted he would make all the excuses he could think of rather than blame himself and his appointed staff. We were called anti Newcastle for it etc etc ... Now we are predicting nothing will get better until he goes, and we are still being pilloried for it. Rose tinted specs © 38003[/snapback] The people who called you anti-Newcastle for being worried about what Souness might do to the club are tossers, but this isn't black and white, there are many points along the scale. You seem to be polar opposite to those people. 38030[/snapback] Whatever, but the fact is , unfortunately, I, Renton etc will be the ones who will be right in the end.

Well can we just agree he has an old fashioned view of man-management, which may or may not be a bad thing. I'm happy to judge him on results tbh. 38192[/snapback] Then do so... Last game we scored three and conceeded none on a ground where we've never won before in the Premiership with an injury-hit squad and playing the last quarter of the game with only 10 men. How do you judge Souness' management performance then?? 38209[/snapback] Hadaway man Craig. Why are you forgotten all about last season just because we have won 1 match. Thats just plain daft and you know it. As for making excuses, I'll say it again. For 40m quid he should easily consolidate a SQUAD of players to stay in the European qualifying position he found us in. And more.