NJS

The only teams we've beaten since the turn of the year are Wigan, West Ham, Wolves and Birmingham. We finished about right - shite but not quite shite enough to go down.

Wouldn't be surprised if this includes some on here but blokes with those Maori/Robbie Williams tattoos on their arms - sorry but you're all pricks.

A mate of mine summed it up by saying that everyone hated the old Wimbledon but every football fan on the planet would love it, just love it if AFC get to play MK Dons and beat them.

That Taylor article is actually not bad - apart from the bit about Shola's football ability of course. (And the use of the word "bachanalian" - pretentious bitch)

Taxi is your only hope. Metro and ferry queues are thousands deep and hours long. Quite a few of us lurk on Sea Way to pick up southerners wanting a fast getaway. Go past this point and it's about 3/4 me want to the Metro queue where your heart will sink. You could of course offer the lad a personal service.

are you real do you care who you sell your house to ? In fact, ref your hatred of people/them making money from business, do you share a profit of your property with the estate agent when you sell it ? What a load of crap, sorry like, but that is absolute crap. And - what Mike Ashley does with the club, from the moment he buys it, is his concern, and his responsibility, and nobody elses. What a shame he has taken it into decline, a selling club again, like where the previous owners found it. I'm not repeating this anymore. I'll wait for Mad Jock to reply like he said he would, although true to form, probably won't. If you sold your house to someone who didn't do a survey, knowing it had a huge subsidence problem (the debt) and didn't tell them I'd consider you a cunt. Ashley was an idiot but the conmen should be noted.

It's not a few clubs - its all of them - read the article - the thing is some are richer than others. Again you suggest the fans got what they deserved. We didn't vote one lot out and another in a Barcelona type election so I don't get your suggestion of "guilt". Two men brought Mike Ashley to this club, two men facilitated its purchase - do they deserve any blame for our present situation?

I don't claim some kind of hindsight - if you read the linked article its reality - the only way clubs are existing at the moment is through underwritten debt. I'd love to get back into Europe - but there still no answer forthcoming about how to finance the push. "We did it before" doesn't cut in 2011. you haven't read a thing I've posted have you ? Why did people want rid of [the Halls] and Fred at the time ? Last chance. I'm not answering you again, if Fat Ash has took the club into a decline, there is nobody to blame but Mike Ashley, and why people wanted rid of the old owners [anyone would do better than Fred, so they said, shame he hasn't] is NOT relevant to how Mike Ashley is or isn't running the club at the present time. He has NO excuse for NUFC becoming a selling club again, but it's a different argument entirely anyway. I don't see what an imagined campaign has to do with now. The Halls didn't sell because of mass protests or even the booing you mentioned. You make it sound like everybody wanted them out apart from you so now it serves us right that we have a worse owner. They sold because they knew what was coming and you have yet to post any other feasible reason. Mike Ashley's "excuse" is what I've speculated on many times - I don't know what he wants but what is clear is that he isn't going to massively invest in the team. In light of that we are fucked until he fucks off. Of course everything he has done is his fault - nobody denies that but in a discussion on football finances the fact remains that it seems like there is no alternative at present to clubs being ran with underwritten debt. As I keep saying its a complete pisser but demanding he somehow magic up the 10s of millions we'd need to push on when he won't spend any more is wishful thinking. I'd love you to forget about discussing the Halls and concentrate on the present - what I and others have tried to get across is that in 2011 football is different as the figures for all of the other clubs prove. The days of big crowds = spending power are gone as is cheap credit. That's why your constant "we shouldn't have to be so shit" is heartfelt and agreed by everyone but in practical terms its reality. Th

He was the married one who fucked a random broad. Don't see why the girl should take more flak over this. She's an easy target. Not more but as much as imo - I think shagging someone you know is married or the equivalent is just as bad.

His wife most know about the legal stuff surely so I don't see who he's really protecting. The model annoys me - "My side of the story" as if there's some high moral ground - he's a twat obviously but she had an affair with someone she knows is married.

I don't claim some kind of hindsight - if you read the linked article its reality - the only way clubs are existing at the moment is through underwritten debt. I'd love to get back into Europe - but there still no answer forthcoming about how to finance the push. "We did it before" doesn't cut in 2011.

Some of our staff are German and its variable - some will speak to a colleague in German even if front of you which as you say is quite rude but a lot will speak English as a rule - usually the ones who've lived here for a long time it has to be said.

I tend to tip in inverse porportion to the quantity/inaneness of the conversation.

95% of glorified IT analyst figures bollocks types I left you 5% Stevie Come on - I'll bet you think the same of your peers. (I think 95% of IT people are shite as well).

People who kill themselves in front of trains. 95% of recruitment agents.

How about we can't affford to be anything else in 2011 without a rich underwriter? Where will the money for your push-on come from? answer the rest of the post and my questions to you or FFS stop making things up, "anybody but Fred" didn't do better, did they ? Was that the basis for saying anybody would do better, at the time ? Yes or no ? I don't give a fuck about your "anyone but Fred" shite because I didn't necessarily want rid of them unless it was to an Abramovitch which we didn't get and I don't give a fuck if there was one person or 20000 people who wanted him out. I also don't give a fuck about Skunkers because 98% of the posts on there are insults or wind-ups - the fact that you use them as an example of people who you have to prove wrong is beyond sad. It's completely irrelevant to the matter at hand - how can we fund the club in 2011.

There is no alternative that I can see to Ashley's at the moment. Every other club is now ran the same way bar a couple - it's a fucking tragedy but that doesn't make it less of a fact. Do you honestly think it would be possible to increase revenues by an amount to fund major "promotion" within the league? If so how?

How about we can't affford to be anything else in 2011 without a rich underwriter? Where will the money for your push-on come from?

I've said on numerous occasions that the appointment of Allardyce was an admittance a change of direction was needed [same as after Gullit and Dalglish]. The point is, the new owner, "hasn't done better" has he ? There is NO excuse for NUFC becoming a selling club again, selling our best players above the managers head and not backing him with the cash, and settling for competing at the levels of Bolton and Blackburn. I would like an oil Sheikh or a Russian mega billionaire just like anybody else, but the new owner has not done better, and these people ALL said that anybody would do better. They wanted someone who would stop buying trophy players, stay out of the limelight, stop renting warehouses, taking small change dividends etc, but thought the ambition was automatic . My point was ALWAYS that the ambition was NOT automatic, so the next owner was not guaranteed to be better at all. And since he took over, we have been relegated, we set our sights lower, the profle and appeal of the club has gone down and accordingly revenues against our competitors, our best players look elsewhere to fulfill career ambitions. If THAT is better, and not a decline, what would they call a decline ? NJS is actually endorsing the fact that we shouldn't have spent more than 12.7m quid on transfers in over a decade, and shouldn't have expanded the stadium - or if he agrees with it, seems to think we should have done it without taking out a loan ? Does he think we should have saved the money up first ? It's mind boggling, and blind hatred gone mad. Maybe they HAD taken us as far as they could, but no way in the world would we have been relegated and settled for competing at the levels we do now. My point is that - during their time - they reached levels which may not be matched for decades, yes. As I've also said, comparing it to the era now, is like saying Jackie Milburn wouldn't be as good as current players because he played with a heavier ball and heavier boots. You can only compete with the situation and competitors at the time. The new owner is not "better", despite the assertions that "anybody" would be. No he didn't ,and now you are stating it as fact. That's what I said - where' the endorsment of 12.7m LM?

It also needs to be combined with good management - as Villa and the Mackems testify. Spurs have hovered around 4th to 8th for the past 5 or 6 years with a decent squad - major transfer profits over a couple of years then allowed them to push on a bit. We'd need such a huge boot up even to their level. aye, sure. Anybody but Fred, you would have swapped their period 1992-2007 for ours How the fuck does that reply relate to anything? My point is they spent the millions you advocate now (without a source) and have got no return for it. Where do I say I'd rather have been a fan of those previously? Start reading the posts instead of just repeating your stock phrases or fucks sake.

Well if you're sticking to 2007 then you're arguments are even more screwed - I mentioned 96 as that when the profile/revenues were increasing drastically - by 2007 they were a dead end. "Worldwide audience" - yeah I can just imagine the entire US watching it - I did watch it and can't even remember any great booing - another cae of you seeing/hearing what you want. You've mentioned that 7th season as an argument against a decline on dozens of occasions on here - you've also used the phrase "regroup" regarding that time again and again I'll not embarass you by doing a search. Unfortunately as I said the fact that they were plotting their exit doesn't back up that view. Still waiting on how we're going to fund the push-on.

It also needs to be combined with good management - as Villa and the Mackems testify. Spurs have hovered around 4th to 8th for the past 5 or 6 years with a decent squad - major transfer profits over a couple of years then allowed them to push on a bit. We'd need such a huge boot up even to their level.

I'm 100% sure I went to more matches than you between 1980 and 2009 so you can cut that "weren't a fan" shit for starters - I didn't go to Shearer's testimonial because I was never a fan of the man. Ambition is fine but you should really read that article on the Premierleague - no clubs are competing based on revenues or by loans other than those underwritten. Liverpool now have twice the rurnover we ever had and still make a large loss which has to be underwritten. This is now. It's not 1996 when wages weren't that bad and having a bigger crowd meant more purchasing power. Over the entire length of the previous regime no profits were made which is perfectly fine as any spare money was spent on the team - great - we all want to see that. However money was also spent that was sourced from loans which is fine if success is "gauranteed" but by 2007 that wasn't the case - you are the only person on the planet who thinks finishing 7th heralded a brave new era - as proved by the 13th the next year. You also have to recognise that the Halls wanted out - if a new era was about to happen then that one act alone proves you wrong on that point. The one question you keep avoiding is the big one - how would you fund your push for the top? You keep mentioning revenues. If we got the full £40 from a strip and they ran a magical free marketing campaign and sold 250,000 thats £10m - enough for one Cheik Tiote with wages - how will you then fund the other 10 we need to compete?

The only people who said anyone but Fred were the voices in your head. no point going any further. You're on drugs you stupid arsehole. Wtf do you think they booed him at Shearers testimonial for ? Fuck me. You bury your head in the sand when you talk about politics, now you are doing the same when you talk about NUFC. Lovely edit to ignore the other points. I don't presume to speak for other fans the way you do - maybe a few spoilt kids were just pissed off with how shit we were by then?

Our highest ever profit was in 2003 of £4.3 Million Since 1998 (can't find further back) we've made profit in aggregate of £12.7 Million, in the same time the total losses aggregate at £143.2 Million. are you saying we shouldn't have spent more than 12.7 million quid in the transfer market since 1998 ? You can add the £56m debt they left to that. so you are saying they shouldn't have spent more than 12.7m quid in the transfer market since 1998 and shouldn't have expanded the stadium either ? They should have done but you have to accept that in 2007 with credit streams running out and a poor-ish squad that the debt would have become a problem - that's why they got out then. Of course as we've also said it was the managerial appointments that had led to declining performances that had pur pressure on them financially.