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I'm surprised nobody has researched Griffin's ancestry - surely like most people you'd only need a few generations before finding an immigrant if not a full on "lower race".

Haven't checked the figures but have just read that their proportion of the vote was actually less than 2004 - they got seats due to a collapse in the labour vote. That's obviously a different issue but if they try and sell it as a massive swing to them by people "waking up" or however they put it then they are taking crap. Edit: Actually their proportion increased by about 1.5% but the number of votes was about the same.

We've been in a new building since January. As you check-in by passing your security card over a scanner it displays an assigned life out of the 8 available. Obviously they need a touch screen interface which repeats the choice at the lifts (10m away) to cater for imbeciles but the number of people I see look down and read the letter at the turnstile and then use the lift interface 4 seconds later is incredible. They must have an attention span in the milliseconds.

Griifin said they aren't racist - but supported the "indigenous" people of Britain - what does that even mean? As I said above what's his measure of purity (apart from skin colour obviously)? I'd imagine their type of patriotism includes the monarchy - does he realise the next king's father is an immigrant?

That may be true but they should be told what they are voting for in no uncertain terms. If they still think that the BNP represents their views then I think they have to accept being called racists. If the response is "yeah and so what" then at least its out there to be argued against but this idea that it can be respectable to vote for them just because you're concerned about immigraion has to be nailed for the bullshit it is.

There is of course an alternative - ask the BNP to cost all of their policies. Of course I doubt they have the intelligence to do that and their supporters wouldn't understand the results but it would be a start. Two things generally decide elections - whether its perceived a government has had enough time (which will do for Labour) and the economy which is why things like Iraq or immigration don't "really" matter. On this basis the BNP has no chance. One thing we shouldn't get away from is that anyone who votes for them is a racist - I don't care if they're a genius or a Sunderland fan - they can't get away from that.

Prove any or all of those assertions with links. you prove what you say with links The burden of proof is ion the positive. I don't remember the police being stopped from doing their jobs due to and political correctness - in fact the opposite - they have used new powers to harass enviromental protestors, football fans and Muslims in the last couple of years on many occasions. It's less than two months since they contributed to someone's death at a demo - was that prevented by political correctness? I've already stated that the 50 years thing is shit - a flawed report which got its maths completely wrong - how can less than 2% of 60m people "out-breed" the rest in 2 generations when the difference in birthrate is miniscule - would you care to explain it? The only indoctrination kids get is religious - somethiong I'd stop - but since the vast majority of that is Christian why would you or the BNP object? - or are you objecting to kids learning about other cultures in a pure Mail style. As for national service the armed forced keep telling us that they don't want it - I can remember it first being suggested in the 80s and the army was horrified at the prospect of their professionalism being diluted by scrotes. It's another policy desined to appeal to cretins who would be absolutely horrified if their kids were called up - or even bterr themselves.

Prove any or all of those assertions with links.

They don't like the "nazi" label but how about another - Apartheid - the only way they could work their "system" is to define everybody's racial purity according to some arbitrary scale - as I said the more you dig the stupider it gets.

A man is defined by his actions not by his history [/classic Arnie]

Another N-O classic was that I was called an idiot for calling Harris a lying Ashley stooge - something along the lines of "respectable banker" according to LLO I think .

A perfect example of what we are talking about - if anyone actually thinks that the police can't do their job due to politcal correctness, that "pure" English people will be outbred in 50 years, that kids are indoctrinated and that national service would work they are too stupid to vote.

About 4 years ago Rob Lee (who may be playing according to .com) was in the team and we walked it - I expected us to win the whole thing but he didn't make the nationals. Judging by Ketsbaia last year with Lee and possibly Gazza we should be fucking laughing.

What the fuck are you doing on here - you should be conkers deep

I'm certain because I know usenet downloads at 20Mb/s Everything else is too subject to variables. I'd also point out that the ISPs taken to task over advertising were all non-fibre services with the exchange factors.

I would love people to define this "country going to the dogs" line that gets taken too often. Yes some things are from perfect but as I've said before some kind of nostalgia for the wonderfully moral post-war years or even the 60s or 70s is complete bollocks imo. Yes, some things have changed for the worse but is there anybody on here who would honestly rather live in the UK at any preceding time in its history?

Soundbites like "restoring and defending out borders"? "British values"? etc etc. Unfortunately the Thatcher/Blair legacy is a soundbitified politics. However even though I think Labour have betrayed their ideals and the Tories are cunts, beneath the soundbites you know they have some workable polices - some of which I support and others I don't. The BNP as far as I can see have absolutely no workable policies so when people say "hey, some of their stuff makes sense" they just haven't looked below the surface or don't want to because they just support some of the pinciples on an underlying level. I'd ask LM, Sniffer or anyone who has tacitly said that they have some good ideas to name one and lets discuss how it would actially work - Ketsbaia has quite rightly pointed out the effect on the NHS but here's another one - how would trade with the white commonwealth countries in anyway replace the jobs which depend on the EU and the single market?

As I said earlier in the thread - I've never trusted these speed test things or taken notice of bit torrent readings - as far as I know the only thing that uses the full bandwidth is usenet downloads - and I certainly have always had the full speed from 4Mb then 10Mb and now 20Mb. I have no reason to doubt I'll get the full 50Mb.

Complete rumour but I heard Shola took a cut.

being concerned about immigration and the effect and impact of it on our social and economic structure, doesn't make you a racist, such talk is the excuse of the blind do gooder which has been pointed out by others too. No it doesn't - I happen to think a limited points system as intoduced is correct and I'd also stop familial immigration from arranged mariages from South Asia - but supporting Griffin's mob most certainly does make anyone a racist.

I found Griffin's recent stuff about wanting to return Britain to the racial make-up as it was in 1948 to be particularly fucking evil - especially naming a time when facism had just been defeated at the cost of millions of lives. I'm sick of the shit that people are frightened to talk about immigration - I'm not - but I do know people who in any way are taken in by this shit aren't "concerned citizens" or "true patriots" - they're racist bastards - and should have the honesty to admit it.

More to do with the transfer kitty than wages I'd bet.

Without black players?

Yep - until the UKIP/BNP can explain where the millions of jobs dependent on Eu membership would be replaced apart from bleating on about some fantasy of trading only with the white commonwealth countries they are dead in the water - that's with all the other shit aside.

If you download more than 4gb at peak times they drop you to 4Mb (from 20Mb) for 2 hrs.