Asprilla 96 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 I think the crowd would understand if we were being managed by someone who had a track record of success but we don't - we have Graeme Souness. And don't mistake him winning a trophy at every club he's been at as success because he has also ultimately ruined every club he has been at. 36048[/snapback] If he wins a trophy here I'll be pleased as punch. If you don't think that's success then fine, but I believe it would break our seeming "jinx". Mark Hughes is doing just as badly at Blackburn too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 I think the crowd would understand if we were being managed by someone who had a track record of success but we don't - we have Graeme Souness. And don't mistake him winning a trophy at every club he's been at as success because he has also ultimately ruined every club he has been at. 36048[/snapback] If he wins a trophy here I'll be pleased as punch. If you don't think that's success then fine, but I believe it would break our seeming "jinx". Mark Hughes is doing just as badly at Blackburn too. 36050[/snapback] Would you class the Carling Cup as success? I certainly wouldn't although i'd be canny chuffed even if we won that! I don't rate Mark Hughes as a manager either so i'm not suprised to see him doing utter wank at Blackburn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 35330 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 I think the crowd would understand if we were being managed by someone who had a track record of success but we don't - we have Graeme Souness. And don't mistake him winning a trophy at every club he's been at as success because he has also ultimately ruined every club he has been at. 36048[/snapback] If he wins a trophy here I'll be pleased as punch. If you don't think that's success then fine, but I believe it would break our seeming "jinx". Mark Hughes is doing just as badly at Blackburn too. 36050[/snapback] Would you class the Carling Cup as success? I certainly wouldn't although i'd be canny chuffed even if we won that! I don't rate Mark Hughes as a manager either so i'm not suprised to see him doing utter wank at Blackburn. 36054[/snapback] For a club that hasn't won anything in as long as we have, ANY trophy would be a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 So he's won something everywhere he's been? I can see that trend getting bucked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 This is my general feeling on Souness. He's unfashionable as you can get, nobody else in the top 6 would consider him and yet he HAS got a respectable track record compared to many other managers in pure terms of trophies won. All other suitors COMBINED can't boast half of what Souey has won: Bruce O'Leary Curbishley Allardyce Roeder Burley I can just see him nicking us the Carling Cup or better still the FA cup. We're too sentimental sometimes. The script was begging for Keegan and then Robson to succeed but still no trophy. I've no special reason to like him, I just feel he could turn out to be a shrewd and lucky appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18013 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 So he's won something everywhere he's been? I can see that trend getting bucked 36064[/snapback] Except no, he hasn't won something at every club he's been at. Two minor trophies in 13 years etc, etc. It's utterly ridiculous to compare him to Hughes either (not aimed at you Alex). Souness left Blackburn in a much worse state than Robson left us, and Hughes hasn't had 50 million to spend. We are presently on the same points, and despit the score, they could have easily won the last match! And while we are talking about success on managerial CVs, how does Souness compare to Robson - not even in the same class. How does he compare to Mourinho, Wenger, Ferguson or Benitez? You get the point - he is a SHIT manager, once and for all. ffs jw tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18013 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 (edited) and yet he HAS got a respectable track record compared to many other managers in pure terms of trophies won. Justify that statement please. It's bullshit basically. Edited September 20, 2005 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Renton, You're boring me. Read what I wrote and tell me which bit you think isn't true. Please tell me what Bruce, O'Leary, Curbishley, Allardyce, Roeder and Burley have WON and then we can agree that I'm right. You don't like Souness? Fine, that's completely your right, but some alternatives have won fuck all. Winning is sometimes a lucky habit beyond any reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 So he's won something everywhere he's been? I can see that trend getting bucked 36064[/snapback] Except no, he hasn't won something at every club he's been at. Two minor trophies in 13 years etc, etc. 36073[/snapback] Ok then, the trend won't be bucked IMHO FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico martin 87 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Renton, You're boring me. Read what I wrote and tell me which bit you think isn't true. Please tell me what Bruce, O'Leary, Curbishley, Allardyce, Roeder and Burley have WON and then we can agree that I'm right. You don't like Souness? Fine, that's completely your right, but some alternatives have won fuck all. Winning is sometimes a lucky habit beyond any reason. 36077[/snapback] hmm tell me what mourinho had won before he went to Porto? perhaps they should have gotten somebody with a better track record as well eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6068 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 tbh how long is this tbh tongue in cheek thing going to go on for? tbh its not even remotely funny now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico martin 87 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 tbh how long is this tbh tongue in cheek thing going to go on for? tbh its not even remotely funny now! 36082[/snapback] i concur with the right honourable J69 and promise I wont say tbh again. Cross my heart and hope to die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18013 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Renton, You're boring me. Read what I wrote and tell me which bit you think isn't true. Please tell me what Bruce, O'Leary, Curbishley, Allardyce, Roeder and Burley have WON and then we can agree that I'm right. You don't like Souness? Fine, that's completely your right, but some alternatives have won fuck all. Winning is sometimes a lucky habit beyond any reason. 36077[/snapback] So you list a bunch of managers who have won nothing, what does that prove? I wouldn't want any of them here anyway. But you are being very limited on your concept of success anyway. Many of those you've listed have only been a manager for a relative short period of time. Many have demonstrated much better league performances over the years than Souness on very limited budgets. Take Curbishley - he has establish Charlton as a premiership club and yet has spent less in the last ten years than Souness has in the past 2 months. It would be no surprise if they finish above us - like they did last year. So you have completely failed to show why Souness is a good manager because basically you can't, you are essentially basing his last 10 years in management as a success based on one league cup. Wow. And I haven't even mentioned all the bad stuff he has done - like being sacked from nearly every post he has got. I firmly believe Newcastle are a top 5 club, maybe even top 3, which is why I think we need a proven manager to get us there - just like the established top 5 clubs in this country presently have. Because as his CV shows, Souness is not the man. And yes, quite frankly you're boring me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Renton, You're boring me. Read what I wrote and tell me which bit you think isn't true. Please tell me what Bruce, O'Leary, Curbishley, Allardyce, Roeder and Burley have WON and then we can agree that I'm right. You don't like Souness? Fine, that's completely your right, but some alternatives have won fuck all. Winning is sometimes a lucky habit beyond any reason. 36077[/snapback] hmm tell me what mourinho had won before he went to Porto? perhaps they should have gotten somebody with a better track record as well eh 36081[/snapback] Are you saying we SHOULDN'T get someone with a track record? Besides, didn't we try and get Mourinho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18013 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Renton, You're boring me. Read what I wrote and tell me which bit you think isn't true. Please tell me what Bruce, O'Leary, Curbishley, Allardyce, Roeder and Burley have WON and then we can agree that I'm right. You don't like Souness? Fine, that's completely your right, but some alternatives have won fuck all. Winning is sometimes a lucky habit beyond any reason. 36077[/snapback] hmm tell me what mourinho had won before he went to Porto? perhaps they should have gotten somebody with a better track record as well eh 36081[/snapback] Are you saying we SHOULDN'T get someone with a track record? Besides, didn't we try and get Mourinho? 36087[/snapback] My guess is he is saying you can't judge a persons track record based soley on the myopic view of how many trophies they have won. There's a wee bit more to it than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Renton, You're boring me. Read what I wrote and tell me which bit you think isn't true. Please tell me what Bruce, O'Leary, Curbishley, Allardyce, Roeder and Burley have WON and then we can agree that I'm right. You don't like Souness? Fine, that's completely your right, but some alternatives have won fuck all. Winning is sometimes a lucky habit beyond any reason. 36077[/snapback] hmm tell me what mourinho had won before he went to Porto? perhaps they should have gotten somebody with a better track record as well eh 36081[/snapback] Are you saying we SHOULDN'T get someone with a track record? Besides, didn't we try and get Mourinho? 36087[/snapback] Robson offered him a job as his assistant after he'd just got the Benfica job. He offered to move over for Jose after 2 years but Mourinho declined because he knew Robson couldn't have given up management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Renton, You're boring me. Read what I wrote and tell me which bit you think isn't true. Please tell me what Bruce, O'Leary, Curbishley, Allardyce, Roeder and Burley have WON and then we can agree that I'm right. You don't like Souness? Fine, that's completely your right, but some alternatives have won fuck all. Winning is sometimes a lucky habit beyond any reason. 36077[/snapback] hmm tell me what mourinho had won before he went to Porto? perhaps they should have gotten somebody with a better track record as well eh 36081[/snapback] Are you saying we SHOULDN'T get someone with a track record? Besides, didn't we try and get Mourinho? 36087[/snapback] My guess is he is saying you can't judge a persons track record based soley on the myopic view of how many trophies they have won. There's a wee bit more to it than that. 36092[/snapback] Nobody else wanted the job. That's the trouble when you jump ship mid season. Now he's here I say support him. If your argument was 100% true, then Robson would have won us SOMETHING!? Neither of us knows what will happen this season. Have your "last word" post if it makes you feel better, then let's drop it. We disagree. No more, no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18013 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Renton, You're boring me. Read what I wrote and tell me which bit you think isn't true. Please tell me what Bruce, O'Leary, Curbishley, Allardyce, Roeder and Burley have WON and then we can agree that I'm right. You don't like Souness? Fine, that's completely your right, but some alternatives have won fuck all. Winning is sometimes a lucky habit beyond any reason. 36077[/snapback] hmm tell me what mourinho had won before he went to Porto? perhaps they should have gotten somebody with a better track record as well eh 36081[/snapback] Are you saying we SHOULDN'T get someone with a track record? Besides, didn't we try and get Mourinho? 36087[/snapback] Robson offered him a job as his assistant after he'd just got the Benfica job. He offered to move over for Jose after 2 years but Mourinho declined because he knew Robson couldn't have given up management. 36099[/snapback] Hearsay. Mind you, didn't our deluded manager claim he was first choice for the Chelsea job, but they had to settle for Mourinho instead? I bet they're kicking themselves now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Word up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18013 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Renton, You're boring me. Read what I wrote and tell me which bit you think isn't true. Please tell me what Bruce, O'Leary, Curbishley, Allardyce, Roeder and Burley have WON and then we can agree that I'm right. You don't like Souness? Fine, that's completely your right, but some alternatives have won fuck all. Winning is sometimes a lucky habit beyond any reason. 36077[/snapback] hmm tell me what mourinho had won before he went to Porto? perhaps they should have gotten somebody with a better track record as well eh 36081[/snapback] Are you saying we SHOULDN'T get someone with a track record? Besides, didn't we try and get Mourinho? 36087[/snapback] My guess is he is saying you can't judge a persons track record based soley on the myopic view of how many trophies they have won. There's a wee bit more to it than that. 36092[/snapback] Nobody else wanted the job. That's the trouble when you jump ship mid season. Now he's here I say support him. If your argument was 100% true, then Robson would have won us SOMETHING!? Neither of us knows what will happen this season. Have your "last word" post if it makes you feel better, then let's drop it. We disagree. No more, no less. 36101[/snapback] First line - I agree it is a bloody stupid time to change managers, but in this case it is justified imo. Second line - Sorry, I don't follow. There's never any guarantees in football, you just have to stack up the odds in your favour as much as possible. Something which we have failed to do this time. Third line - Agree Forth line - OK, agree to disagree then, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6068 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 actually i got the last word. ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 actually i got the last word. ha! 36108[/snapback] de ja vue.... OW OW OW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Sorry people. Must be losing my touch no one has really gone for this one. Pity Cat mag and Scottish mag aren't around they would have twigged what with me living in Glasgow. 36018[/snapback] Freddie currently being out of the country didn't help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Sorry people. Must be losing my touch no one has really gone for this one. Pity Cat mag and Scottish mag aren't around they would have twigged what with me living in Glasgow. 36018[/snapback] Freddie currently being out of the country didn't help! 36160[/snapback] Where is he? Phuket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon_Crazy 0 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 SORRY NO, FS is away on his holidays and also why would he be talking to him after we win a match... This guy is as bad as a tabloid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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