Gemmill 34504 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 (edited) I'm not sure of the stats but surely more people now are using alternative browsers than in the past? I don't think this is an issue. Any one with any sense is now not using Internet Explorer (and probably for years now). However that leaves a lot of people with no sense/that don't know better that are still using Internet Explorer..... still some 75% of the desktop market or so. some users simply dont have the option but to use ie. for example, me as a civil servant at work, even though i know better. Theres zero chance of me at work being able to use an open source browser on an open source os. which is probably the point of the eu's recent action. Surely that was a decision made by your IT department rather than Microsoft? Indeed it is - but at work i dont have a choice. upon further thought - if there was a choice, would you as a taxpayer be happy with paying for 100k civil servants being retrained to use firefox and possibly open office and ubuntu? there would also be the additional cost of testing if all the benefit computer systems would work with linux, not to mention that the whole process of going opensource would probably take decades and be 12x over budget. fops point was that everyone has a choice but some dont. and even if that choice was there - who would switch? Well ignoring corporate tie-in's (I've no idea if that is the civil services reason or not), which have been ruled illegal and/or dubious at best in the past. Then I still don't know, plenty of places (around the world) have switched from windows to linux and saved a lot of cash..... the current recession would seem to be exactly the time to do it..... except of course they'd be fighting Microsoft every step of the way (although this is really a different debate). Although as it's the civil service and a recent report reckoned that 1/2 of it could be got rid of and it could still do all it's current tasks, then maybe not. (out of interest are benefit computer systems really being run on windows? And if so at server level or just a workstation level?) It's not just corporate desktops/workstations fuelling the IE numbers though, it's home users too...... but it always goes back to the point that if it wasn't (illegally) bundled as it is, then people (home or corporate) would look for other solutions (it's why MS do all they can to limit Linux pre-installed options from most hardware vendors - again they've been slapped on the wrist for this in the past - although again that is really a different debate - this is IE bundling/abuse of monopoly). Edited January 17, 2009 by Fop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 out of interest are benefit computer systems really being run on windows? And if so at server level or just a workstation level? they are accessed through a windows desktop is what i mean. (the actual benefit computer systems, of which there are many, i would imagine are based in a unix environment though im just guessing as im not involved with that side of things). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 but back to windows 7 ..... the desktop button thing at the far right of the taskbar is annoying the hell out of me. whenever you change the theme it resets all the sounds and screensaver settings. certain windows installers dont work - i can get perfect disk 8 to work at all, even if the various compatability modes. the uac thing is a little bit better in that there are more options but ive just switched it off. dektop gadgets dont work at all with uac switched off. theres a few other slight things as well but all told im actually enjoying using it. its got the feel and usability of a tweaked version of vista sp1, and its still the beta version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 31 Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Had it up and running for about an hour. First impression is that aye, its Vista with a few tweaks. But, if the improvements are as they were to XP then it should be canny. Uses less resources as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Windows 7 allows application developers to write DRM that bypasses your firewall, refuses to let you modify or disable DLLs, and to block you from mixing your audio inputs (to prevent you from recapturing DRM'ed music, presumably). That Photoshop stopped functioning after we messed with one of its nag DLLs was not so much a surprise, but what was a surprise: Noting that Win7 allows programs like Photoshop to insert themselves stealthily into your firewall exception list. Further, that the OS allows large software vendors to penetrate your machine. Even further, that that permission is responsible for disabling of a program based on a modified DLL. And then finding that the OS even after reboot has locked you out of your own Local Settings folder; has denied you permission to move or delete the modified DLL; and refuses to allow the replacement of the Local Settings folder after it is unlocked with Unlocker to move it to the Desktop for examination (where it also denies you entry to your own folder). Setting permissions to 'allow everyone' was disabled! Re — media: Under XP you could select 'Stereo Mix' or similar under audio recording inputs and nicely capture any program then playing. No longer Draconian DRM Revealed In Windows 7 Update: Lots of chewy debate in the Slashdot thread, including more details -- some of these DRM issues were present in Vista, others haven't been replicated on other systems. Of course, users who worry about the lock-ins imposed by proprietary software are trapped into this kind of Kremlinology about the code, arguing about what the developers intended, what was a bug, and what was their imagination -- without the source code, we're reduced to playing blind-man-and-the-elephant when it comes to assessing our tools. http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/17/windo...drm-begins.html "A few days' testing of Windows 7 has already disclosed some draconian DRM, some of it unrelated to media files. A legitimate copy of Photoshop CS4 stopped functioning after we clobbered a nagging registration screen by replacing a DLL with a hacked version. With regard to media files, the days of capturing an audio program on your PC seem to be over (if the program originated on that PC). The inputs of your sound card are severely degraded in software if the card is also playing an audio program (tested here with Grooveshark). This may be the tip of the iceberg. Being in bed with the RIAA is bad enough, but locking your own files away from you is a tactic so outrageous it may kill the OS for many persons. Many users will not want to experiment with a second sound card or computer just to record from online sources, or boot up under a Linux that supports ntfs-3g just to control their files." Read on for more details of this user's findings. Re — Photoshop: That Photoshop stopped functioning after we messed with one of its nag DLLs was not so much a surprise, but what was a surprise: Noting that Win7 allows programs like Photoshop to insert themselves stealthily into your firewall exception list. Further, that the OS allows large software vendors to penetrate your machine. Even further, that that permission is responsible for disabling of a program based on a modified DLL. And then finding that the OS even after reboot has locked you out of your own Local Settings folder; has denied you permission to move or delete the modified DLL; and refuses to allow the replacement of the Local Settings folder after it is unlocked with Unlocker to move it to the Desktop for examination (where it also denies you entry to your own folder). Setting permissions to 'allow everyone' was disabled! Re — media: Under XP you could select 'Stereo Mix' or similar under audio recording inputs and nicely capture any program then playing. No longer. Just when you think M$ have wised up on security, they do things like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6307 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Fuck's sake Parky... it's called a 'BETA release' for a reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26391 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 out of interest are benefit computer systems really being run on windows? And if so at server level or just a workstation level? they are accessed through a windows desktop is what i mean. (the actual benefit computer systems, of which there are many, i would imagine are based in a unix environment though im just guessing as im not involved with that side of things). benefits and payrolls and such all tend to use Oracle backends and seem to be farmed out to the likes of Fujitsu to actually run. That being their first mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7817550.stm Some nice features there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay 8 Posted May 1, 2009 Author Share Posted May 1, 2009 Got it on my laptop and have had no problems what so ever for the last month or two. A lot better than Vista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay 8 Posted May 1, 2009 Author Share Posted May 1, 2009 Probably want to point out that I only actually use goggle chrome/Firefox and Championship manager 01/02 on it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Flintoff 0 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I've been running it a couple of month and I'm now running the RC and it's very stable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7817550.stm Some nice features there. A lot ripped directly from (you guess it) though. Still it's looking like the best MS release since Win2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7817550.stm Some nice features there. A lot ripped directly from (you guess it) though. Still it's looking like the best MS release since Win2000. But what about all these things that take over your machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7817550.stm Some nice features there. A lot ripped directly from (you guess it) though. Still it's looking like the best MS release since Win2000. But what about all these things that take over your machine? Yup that's Windows. (it supposedly is more secure, but still much less secure than other options, and still rather DRM ridden ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Looks like they will be doing an WinME on Vista, not good for those with Vista that don't see a reason to upgrade to Win7. http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2009/05/0...13261241442826/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7817550.stm Some nice features there. A lot ripped directly from (you guess it) though. Still it's looking like the best MS release since Win2000. But what about all these things that take over your machine? http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4317 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Thinking of upgrading Vista to this. Does anyone actually know of any sites so I can maybe run a dual partition or just a clean install? I'm none the wiser with upgrading operating systems you see. Which is why I've never made the move to Linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Thinking of upgrading Vista to this. Does anyone actually know of any sites so I can maybe run a dual partition or just a clean install? I'm none the wiser with upgrading operating systems you see. Which is why I've never made the move to Linux. Vista didn't like dual booting with some things IFRC, whether that extends to Win7 though. Usually a clean install is the better option over an upgrade, although again Vista had some annoying DRM stuff that made that much trickier than with XP and prior MS OS if you didn't have the full versions and such (not pirated copies, just upgrade versions that should have worked). (Linux is pretty easy btw, any decent distro it'll just really be a case of defraging and then using the Live-CD graphic installer, although yet again with Vista YMMV.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Thinking of upgrading Vista to this. Does anyone actually know of any sites so I can maybe run a dual partition or just a clean install? I'm none the wiser with upgrading operating systems you see. Which is why I've never made the move to Linux. Vista didn't like dual booting with some things IFRC, whether that extends to Win7 though. Usually a clean install is the better option over an upgrade, although again Vista had some annoying DRM stuff that made that much trickier than with XP and prior MS OS if you didn't have the full versions and such (not pirated copies, just upgrade versions that should have worked). (Linux is pretty easy btw, any decent distro it'll just really be a case of defraging and then using the Live-CD graphic installer, although yet again with Vista YMMV.) I've used the live cd on Linux a few times and I do quite like how fast the operating system runs. Just really don't have any experience in this sort of thing and don't want to knacker me computer as it only came with a Vista CD and not a system restore one for noobs such as me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 133 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Tempted to put this on her laptop, I presume there are ways of keeping it activated after the beta trial ends ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Installed this last night and must admit I really do prefer it to Vista. Seems to run so much smoother and without taking up as much resources. I won't be going back to Vista that's for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Installed this last night and must admit I really do prefer it to Vista. Seems to run so much smoother and without taking up as much resources. I won't be going back to Vista that's for certain. Vista = WinME2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 133 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Slapped it on her laptop today, very impressed so far, and the licence for the release candidate is good for a year ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Slapped it on her laptop today, very impressed so far, and the licence for the release candidate is good for a year ! Enough of the porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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