luckyluke 1 Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 Anything short of CL qualification would be an absolute disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6191 Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 I think we may finish somewhere between 14th and 17th, but don't see it as any sort of success or "consolidation", because I think that for as long as Mike Ashley owns the club, this is where we will always finish until the eventual relegation again. 14th to 17th is where I think we'll be as well. There's a chance we could surprise though, there is quite a few weak sides in the league if we can take as many points off the likes of West Ham, Wigan, Blackpool, Wolves, West Brom, Birmingham, Stoke and Blackburn then we could feasibly finish above them all which would have us in 12th. From there Sunderland, Bolton and Fulham are there for the taking if they have poor seasons. There's 8 teams I just can't see us finishing above (Chelsea, Manure, Arse, Man Clitty, Totspurs, Everton, Liverpool, & AVilla). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think we could win it this year lads [/deluded] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6191 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think we could win it this year lads [/deluded] If we keep with our current rate of improvement we should score 6 against Wolves, concede negative 3 and soon catch Chelsea's for and against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajax_andy 0 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think we're less bad than.... Blackburn Blackpool West Brom Bolton Stoke West Ham Wigan Wolverhampton So I'm going for 12th too. Blackburn - Wrong Bolton - Wrong Stoke - Wrong West Ham - Debatable Wigan - Debatable Wolverhampton - Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajax_andy 0 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 10th. Very optimistic. But with a good sense of togetherness from what the players are saying, along with a few decent signings and CH's tactics (expecting him to play 4-5-1 against stronger teams, more attacking at fortress SJP). Best feeling about the changing room atmosphere we've had since Sir Bobby days? Its massively unlikely any team who's just won promotion would finish in the top half of the league... even if they spent shit loads of money: Last Season's top 15: Chelsea Man U Arsenal Spurs Man City Villa Liverpool Everton Brum Blackburn Stoke Fulham Sunderland Bolton Wolves I fail to see how the Toon will finish higher than any of those teams this year. 16th-17th would represent a good season and something to build on for next year, whilst also giving the likes of Carroll another season of development and experience of playing at the top level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 If we finish 17th playing most of the season with Barton, Tiote and Ben Arfa in midfield then Hughton wants shot with shit. We've surely now got the quality to get at least 14th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 6895 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think we may finish somewhere between 14th and 17th, but don't see it as any sort of success or "consolidation", because I think that for as long as Mike Ashley owns the club, this is where we will always finish until the eventual relegation again. You mean almost an exact repeat of the last years of FFS's reign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 2929 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 10th. Very optimistic. But with a good sense of togetherness from what the players are saying, along with a few decent signings and CH's tactics (expecting him to play 4-5-1 against stronger teams, more attacking at fortress SJP). Best feeling about the changing room atmosphere we've had since Sir Bobby days? Its massively unlikely any team who's just won promotion would finish in the top half of the league... even if they spent shit loads of money: Last Season's top 15: Chelsea Man U Arsenal Spurs Man City Villa Liverpool Everton Brum Blackburn Stoke Fulham Sunderland Bolton Wolves I fail to see how the Toon will finish higher than any of those teams this year. 16th-17th would represent a good season and something to build on for next year, whilst also giving the likes of Carroll another season of development and experience of playing at the top level. Not that I think we will finish any higher than 15th, haven't you just contradicted yourself with Birmingham finishing in the top half the season after promotion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think we may finish somewhere between 14th and 17th, but don't see it as any sort of success or "consolidation", because I think that for as long as Mike Ashley owns the club, this is where we will always finish until the eventual relegation again. You mean almost an exact repeat of the last years of FFS's reign Looking at the last four years the worst was 14th and the best was 7th so no, basically. And yes, that's quite a range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jersey 0 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think were better than West Brom, Wigan and Blackpool. If we get some good results at home aswel then we could get above West Ham and Wolves too... especially if we still manage to add one or two players. 15-17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 2929 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think we may finish somewhere between 14th and 17th, but don't see it as any sort of success or "consolidation", because I think that for as long as Mike Ashley owns the club, this is where we will always finish until the eventual relegation again. You mean almost an exact repeat of the last years of FFS's reign Looking at the last four years the worst was 14th and the best was 7th so no, basically. And yes, that's quite a range. Does that make toonpack or leaze the auld boiler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 Home form is the most important thing. You have to be a very good side to pick up many points away from home in this league. That's why I think Ben Arfa and (if possible) Keane would be excellent signings. Win about 8 or 9 games at SJP and we're nearly home and dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think we may finish somewhere between 14th and 17th, but don't see it as any sort of success or "consolidation", because I think that for as long as Mike Ashley owns the club, this is where we will always finish until the eventual relegation again. You mean almost an exact repeat of the last years of FFS's reign Looking at the last four years the worst was 14th and the best was 7th so no, basically. And yes, that's quite a range. Does that make toonpack or leaze the auld boiler? They're both ancient but Leazes has mentioned on more than one occasion that he doesn't look his age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 6895 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think we may finish somewhere between 14th and 17th, but don't see it as any sort of success or "consolidation", because I think that for as long as Mike Ashley owns the club, this is where we will always finish until the eventual relegation again. You mean almost an exact repeat of the last years of FFS's reign Looking at the last four years the worst was 14th and the best was 7th so no, basically. And yes, that's quite a range. Does that make toonpack or leaze the auld boiler? They're both ancient but Leazes has mentioned on more than one occasion that he doesn't look his age Wise, is the word you were looking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think we may finish somewhere between 14th and 17th, but don't see it as any sort of success or "consolidation", because I think that for as long as Mike Ashley owns the club, this is where we will always finish until the eventual relegation again. You mean almost an exact repeat of the last years of FFS's reign Looking at the last four years the worst was 14th and the best was 7th so no, basically. And yes, that's quite a range. Does that make toonpack or leaze the auld boiler? They're both ancient but Leazes has mentioned on more than one occasion that he doesn't look his age Wise, is the word you were looking for As in Dennis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajax_andy 0 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 10th. Very optimistic. But with a good sense of togetherness from what the players are saying, along with a few decent signings and CH's tactics (expecting him to play 4-5-1 against stronger teams, more attacking at fortress SJP). Best feeling about the changing room atmosphere we've had since Sir Bobby days? Its massively unlikely any team who's just won promotion would finish in the top half of the league... even if they spent shit loads of money: Last Season's top 15: Chelsea Man U Arsenal Spurs Man City Villa Liverpool Everton Brum Blackburn Stoke Fulham Sunderland Bolton Wolves I fail to see how the Toon will finish higher than any of those teams this year. 16th-17th would represent a good season and something to build on for next year, whilst also giving the likes of Carroll another season of development and experience of playing at the top level. Not that I think we will finish any higher than 15th, haven't you just contradicted yourself with Birmingham finishing in the top half the season after promotion? I hate it when people shoot down my arguments Ok its possible if you spend a reasonable amount of money and bring in some shrewd signings: Hart - Loan Roger Johnson - £5m Benitez - Loan Ferguson - £1.25m Gardner - £3m Michel - £3m Still thats £12.25 million and Joe Hart on Loan (who I think played a massive part in their sucess) So yes its possible, if somewhat unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 6895 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think we may finish somewhere between 14th and 17th, but don't see it as any sort of success or "consolidation", because I think that for as long as Mike Ashley owns the club, this is where we will always finish until the eventual relegation again. You mean almost an exact repeat of the last years of FFS's reign Looking at the last four years the worst was 14th and the best was 7th so no, basically. And yes, that's quite a range. Does that make toonpack or leaze the auld boiler? They're both ancient but Leazes has mentioned on more than one occasion that he doesn't look his age Wise, is the word you were looking for As in Dennis? Worldy tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think we may finish somewhere between 14th and 17th, but don't see it as any sort of success or "consolidation", because I think that for as long as Mike Ashley owns the club, this is where we will always finish until the eventual relegation again. You mean almost an exact repeat of the last years of FFS's reign Looking at the last four years the worst was 14th and the best was 7th so no, basically. And yes, that's quite a range. Does that make toonpack or leaze the auld boiler? They're both ancient but Leazes has mentioned on more than one occasion that he doesn't look his age Wise, is the word you were looking for As in Dennis? Ernie tbh FYP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 2929 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I hate it when people shoot down my arguments Ok its possible if you spend a reasonable amount of money and bring in some shrewd signings: Hart - Loan Roger Johnson - £5m Benitez - Loan Ferguson - £1.25m Gardner - £3m Michel - £3m Still thats £12.25 million and Joe Hart on Loan (who I think played a massive part in their sucess) So yes its possible, if somewhat unlikely Never one to be the pedant but can I also point out the magnitude of how incorrect you are: 08/09 - Stoke 12th - 5 points off 10th. 06/07 - Reading 8th 05/06 - West Ham 9th & Wigan 10th 03/04 - Pompey 13th, 5 points off 10th 02/03 - Citeh 9th & Birmingham 13th 2 points off 10th I still don't think we will do better than 15th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajax_andy 0 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I hate it when people shoot down my arguments Ok its possible if you spend a reasonable amount of money and bring in some shrewd signings: Hart - Loan Roger Johnson - £5m Benitez - Loan Ferguson - £1.25m Gardner - £3m Michel - £3m Still thats £12.25 million and Joe Hart on Loan (who I think played a massive part in their sucess) So yes its possible, if somewhat unlikely Never one to be the pedant but can I also point out the magnitude of how incorrect you are: 08/09 - Stoke 12th - 5 points off 10th. 06/07 - Reading 8th 05/06 - West Ham 9th & Wigan 10th 03/04 - Pompey 13th, 5 points off 10th 02/03 - Citeh 9th & Birmingham 13th 2 points off 10th I still don't think we will do better than 15th Stoke City 08-09 season spent £30m on transfers and didnt finish in the top 10 Reading 06-07 season spent £8m on transfers West Ham 05-06 season spent £19m on transfers, Wigan spent £9m Going back any further is pointless as different league back on 2003 Newcastle United have spent £1m on transfers so far in 2010-2011 So looking at that i'm partically incorrect yes, but also partially correct... certainly there is no "magnitude" to how wrong I am here. One thing is for certain is that to spend £1m after promotion does not make a top ten team. In fact in the last 3 seasons 4 newly promoted teams out of 9 have been relegated (Burnley, WBA, Brum, Derby)... in the process Derby spent £15.5m, Brum spend £18.75m, WBA £9.25m, Burnley £12m. So my original post might not have been spot on... but I think these stats back up the sentiment of what I was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think we may finish somewhere between 14th and 17th, but don't see it as any sort of success or "consolidation", because I think that for as long as Mike Ashley owns the club, this is where we will always finish until the eventual relegation again. You mean almost an exact repeat of the last years of FFS's reign Looking at the last four years the worst was 14th and the best was 7th so no, basically. And yes, that's quite a range. indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think we may finish somewhere between 14th and 17th, but don't see it as any sort of success or "consolidation", because I think that for as long as Mike Ashley owns the club, this is where we will always finish until the eventual relegation again. You mean almost an exact repeat of the last years of FFS's reign ah. Somebody mentioning Shepherd [not forgetting the Halls]. I hope nobody accuses me of hijacking this thread. Toonpack - you are one of those who took the "anybody but Fred" angle aren't you ? I hope you are not expecting a quick return to the league positions and european qualifications achieved under the Halls and Shepherd, and yes even Shepherds last few years as chairman if you want to be pedantic about it and insist he ran the club all on his own, which of course he couldn't have done, otherwise it makes the major shareholders look like fools for allowing other people to control a multi million pound company for them single handed. Anyway. We would not have been relegated under the Halls [and Shepherd]. Because they would not have sold over half a good premiership team and replaced them with cheaper inferior players, and they would almost certainly have taken positive action in any January transfer window if the team looked in danger. I rest my case. I hope one day, those remaining who still can't see this, will wake up. This sort of thing is easy for me to say btw, because unlike most others I actually did support this club when they were shite for the best part of 3 decades. A lot of people say they supported the club for evermore etc etc, but I actually did. When you did that, you should appreciate the transition from struggling massively underachieving selling club [ring any bells] to one that lived with the big boys like it should and punched its weight with them. It's THAT easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think we may finish somewhere between 14th and 17th, but don't see it as any sort of success or "consolidation", because I think that for as long as Mike Ashley owns the club, this is where we will always finish until the eventual relegation again. You mean almost an exact repeat of the last years of FFS's reign Looking at the last four years the worst was 14th and the best was 7th so no, basically. And yes, that's quite a range. Does that make toonpack or leaze the auld boiler? They're both ancient but Leazes has mentioned on more than one occasion that he doesn't look his age No. I don't. I still have my hair too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 I still have me own teeth though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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