Dr Gloom 20263 Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 the prospect of xisco's return being heralded as a new signing and us not bringing in a new forward to challenge shola/carrol/lovenkrands is a depressing one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4344 Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 3 goals in 23 appearances according to wiki slightly misleading league wise its 3 goals and an assist in 7 starts 16 sub appearances and then 3 more goals in 6 starts in the copa del ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 3 goals in 23 appearances according to wiki slightly misleading league wise its 3 goals and an assist in 7 starts 16 sub appearances and then 3 more goals in 6 starts in the copa del ray Do they ration his starts cos he's THAT effective when he comes on like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 3 goals in 23 appearances according to wiki slightly misleading league wise its 3 goals and an assist in 7 starts 16 sub appearances and then 3 more goals in 6 starts in the copa del ray You say that but ss HF says, you'd think he'd start more if he was any good. Especially for a team that was nearly relegated. I appreciate stats don't tell the whole story and I didn't see him play (it was more a comment in general rather than what SloopJohn said) but he was hardly on fire going off that. He may have suffered from injuries but given his time here that would be even more of a worry in a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 15100 Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 I think he might be hanging out around the Life Centre a fair bit now hes back..... http://footballboners.blogspot.com/2009/03/xisco.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4344 Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 3 goals in 23 appearances according to wiki slightly misleading league wise its 3 goals and an assist in 7 starts 16 sub appearances and then 3 more goals in 6 starts in the copa del ray You say that but ss HF says, you'd think he'd start more if he was any good. Especially for a team that was nearly relegated. I appreciate stats don't tell the whole story and I didn't see him play (it was more a comment in general rather than what SloopJohn said) but he was hardly on fire going off that. He may have suffered from injuries but given his time here that would be even more of a worry in a way. true, ill give him the benefit of the doubt though you never know, look at mascherano, he didnt play for nearly relegated west ham but as soon as he moved hes been one of liverpools key players in the usual top 4 team and now barca want him among others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Has your usual account been locked out Leazes? Clearly you are at odds with with the basic premise of a chairman backing his manager's decision making & judgement? Excellent powers of deduction Sherlock. your own powers of deduction appear to have failed you.......... that is, if you had any in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6464 Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Plenty of options up front Chris, sure, but how many of them are any good? None are really proven in the top league, Shola despite playing many many Premier League games. Xisco I don't think anyone is in a position to say whether he's any good. It's hard to judge Santander's use of him also, as like us when we had Rossi on loan he could be getting limited minutes simply because he's only there on loan and isn't part of the bigger picture. The problem is that we'd need to see him given a run in the side to see whether he's any good, and that plainly is not going to happen when he's already so far down a weak but lengthy pecking order. Selling him would be Best (him too) for all involved, but that's not likely to happen, so we'll have another name on our playing roster who probably won't add much to our chances of any sort of success this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Plenty of options up front Chris, sure, but how many of them are any good? None are really proven in the top league, Shola despite playing many many Premier League games. Xisco I don't think anyone is in a position to say whether he's any good. It's hard to judge Santander's use of him also, as like us when we had Rossi on loan he could be getting limited minutes simply because he's only there on loan and isn't part of the bigger picture. The problem is that we'd need to see him given a run in the side to see whether he's any good, and that plainly is not going to happen when he's already so far down a weak but lengthy pecking order. Selling him would be Best (him too) for all involved, but that's not likely to happen, so we'll have another name on our playing roster who probably won't add much to our chances of any sort of success this season. I just can't see how anybody can look at our strikers and think they've got enough goals in them. If we sold Best, Shola and Xisco maybe we could afford a half decent striker (Roque Santa Cruz anybody?). I can't see how getting rid of Best and Ameobi weakens the squad and Xisco as you say is unproven and requires playing time which he probably won't get from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6464 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 I just can't see how anybody can look at our strikers and think they've got enough goals in them. If we sold Best, Shola and Xisco maybe we could afford a half decent striker (Roque Santa Cruz anybody?). I can't see how getting rid of Best and Ameobi weakens the squad and Xisco as you say is unproven and requires playing time which he probably won't get from us. Agree 100% We're going to struggle to get goals. In the Championship for patches when our forwards were struggling to score we had Nolan, Guthrie and even Ryan Taylor chipping in, it's hard to see them being able to fill the void. Chris must be looking and thinking the same, but due to budget restraints he's going to have to try to get the best out of what we have, so all the noise we hear coming from him is to that effect. I'd much rather get rid of three guys on moderate wages to pickup one on a higher wage. If we had injury problems we have the likes of Ranger and Vuckic who could step up and do a job, gaining valuable experience in doing so. We also have Alan Smith who once upon a time was a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 1 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 I just can't see how anybody can look at our strikers and think they've got enough goals in them. If we sold Best, Shola and Xisco maybe we could afford a half decent striker (Roque Santa Cruz anybody?). I can't see how getting rid of Best and Ameobi weakens the squad and Xisco as you say is unproven and requires playing time which he probably won't get from us. Agree 100% We're going to struggle to get goals. In the Championship for patches when our forwards were struggling to score we had Nolan, Guthrie and even Ryan Taylor chipping in, it's hard to see them being able to fill the void. Chris must be looking and thinking the same, but due to budget restraints he's going to have to try to get the best out of what we have, so all the noise we hear coming from him is to that effect. I'd much rather get rid of three guys on moderate wages to pickup one on a higher wage. If we had injury problems we have the likes of Ranger and Vuckic who could step up and do a job, gaining valuable experience in doing so. We also have Alan Smith who once upon a time was a striker. Thank God you ain't our manager anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6464 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 I'd much rather get rid of three guys on moderate wages to pickup one on a higher wage. If we had injury problems we have the likes of Ranger and Vuckic who could step up and do a job, gaining valuable experience in doing so. We also have Alan Smith who once upon a time was a striker. Thank God you ain't our manager anyway. Yeah, because having a strike force of (for example): Roque Santa Cruz, Andy Carroll, Peter Lovenkrands, Nile Ranger, Haris Vuckic with Kevin Nolan and Alan Smith ....is worse than having: Andy Carroll, Peter Lovenkrands, Shola Ameobi, Leon Best, Xisco, Nile Ranger, Haris Vuckic, and Kevin Nolan Santa Cruz doesn't have to be the player, but the point is clear. We have a list of supporting strikers, with noone standing out as an established proven premier league player. I'm pretty sure the FA won't cut us any exceptions that allow us to field 12 players because we have so many average forwards on our playing roster so the key is to improve our starting 11. The wages in total would be similar, it's the initial outlay that would need to be made available. An outlay that without question would be much much much less than the difference in income between a Championship and Premier League club, a difference that we seem to be in danger once again of discovering. The difference this time would be that we don't have a squad that we could sell off 30 million pounds worth of player like we did last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 We don't have a PL quality striker who can get 15 or so goals for us. Case closed. What we have is ragtag bunch of no hopers up front who are the 1 in 5 goals per game type. NOlan won't be the threat this year either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 We don't have a PL quality striker who can get 15 or so goals for us. Case closed. What we have is ragtag bunch of no hopers up front who are the 1 in 5 goals per game type. NOlan won't be the threat this year either. I personally think Carroll will get around 15 this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 We don't have a PL quality striker who can get 15 or so goals for us. Case closed. What we have is ragtag bunch of no hopers up front who are the 1 in 5 goals per game type. NOlan won't be the threat this year either. I personally think Carroll will get around 15 this year. Would be nice if it happenned obvioulsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20263 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 carrol might get a few, but he'll get more with a better quality strike partner. i don't think he's mobile enough to play the lone striker role up front in the premier league either. he needs a pacey front man buzzing around him. tbh, craig bellamy would be a perfect signing for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Look at the main striker(s) at the other bottom half Premier League clubs. Birmingham - Jerome Bolton - Davies Wolves - Doyle Wigan - Rodallega West Ham - Cole Stoke - Kitson/Fuller Fulham - Zamora Blackburn - Roberts/Diouf West Brom - Bednar Blackpool - Ormerod Which would you play ahead of our strikers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 (edited) Look at the main striker(s) at the other bottom half Premier League clubs. Birmingham - Jerome Bolton - Davies Wolves - Doyle Wigan - Rodallega West Ham - Cole Fulham - Zamora Blackburn - Roberts/Diouf Which would you play ahead of our strikers? That lot are all better than what we have. Bolton have Klasnic now who got 12 and I really like the look of Rodallega and Zamora came on last year under Woy. Most of that lot have pace and power and Cole is very good at holding it up and gets his share of goals etc.. I think we'll know quite quick what's going on I'd say 12 games or so will give us an idea. We simply have to beat clubs in the bottom 8 or we're down. Edited August 3, 2010 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Look at the main striker(s) at the other bottom half Premier League clubs. Birmingham - Jerome Bolton - Davies Wolves - Doyle Wigan - Rodallega West Ham - Cole Fulham - Zamora Blackburn - Roberts/Diouf Which would you play ahead of our strikers? That lot are all better than what we have. Whey none of them managed 15 last season. Few of them got 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 We don't have a PL quality striker who can get 15 or so goals for us. Case closed. What we have is ragtag bunch of no hopers up front who are the 1 in 5 goals per game type. NOlan won't be the threat this year either. I personally think Carroll will get around 15 this year. Would be nice if it happenned obvioulsy. Aye but I can't see it either. He 'only' got 17 in the Championship playing for the best side in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Look at the main striker(s) at the other bottom half Premier League clubs. Birmingham - Jerome Bolton - Davies Wolves - Doyle Wigan - Rodallega West Ham - Cole Fulham - Zamora Blackburn - Roberts/Diouf Which would you play ahead of our strikers? That lot are all better than what we have. Whey none of them managed 15 last season. Few of them got 10. I know I checked all that before making my wreckless comment. But they simply have better players around them, better managers etc..And if Cole had been fit for instance he would have been at the W/c. In saying that I think Fulham and Blackburn might struggle this year. West Ham are spending?? Haven't looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 As has been mentioned many times on here, very few strikers these days get more that 10goals per season. However if you have one good striker who can get you in /around that, and then others pitching in from elsewhere, then you stand a chance. If Nolan, for example, was to get 6, a few each from the wingers and other strikers and things look a bit healthier. Sol always seems to be worth a couple per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Fulham must have a bit of cash imo or Hughes wouldn't have gone. I think they'll be alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcraggs 0 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Birmingham - JeromeBolton - Davies Wolves - Doyle Wigan - Rodallega West Ham - Cole Fulham - Zamora Blackburn - Roberts/Diouf Which would you play ahead of our strikers? That lot are all better than what we have. Your having a laugh!! you'd rather have Davies than Lov/Carr? Or Doyle... Most of the above are nearing the end of their playing days.. Cole did nothing the 2nd half of the season.. Now that defenders know Doyle I can't see him being that great... if you'd discussed some youngsters who were making it in the prem then fair enough.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Does Al Fayed still own them? He might be willing to throw a few more quid about this season. The cup run last season and maybe a few quid compensation from Woy might go in the kitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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