trophyshy 6434 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Perhaps to add more colour to the 'pocketing' debate would someone who likes this sort of thing (HF, basically) fancy putting together a what has been spent/invested/input by Ashley against what he may have taken out of the club. Just so we can keep these pockets in some sort of perspective. Maybe this is already in place somewhere? Just interested from a neutral perspective, no axe to grind; i.e. I'm not sucking Ashley off as I type this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Perhaps to add more colour to the 'pocketing' debate would someone who likes this sort of thing (HF, basically) fancy putting together a what has been spent/invested/input by Ashley against what he may have taken out of the club. Just so we can keep these pockets in some sort of perspective. Maybe this is already in place somewhere? Just interested from a neutral perspective, no axe to grind; i.e. I'm not sucking Ashley off as I type this. To my knowledge he hasn't taken anything at all out of the club has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6434 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Perhaps to add more colour to the 'pocketing' debate would someone who likes this sort of thing (HF, basically) fancy putting together a what has been spent/invested/input by Ashley against what he may have taken out of the club. Just so we can keep these pockets in some sort of perspective. Maybe this is already in place somewhere? Just interested from a neutral perspective, no axe to grind; i.e. I'm not sucking Ashley off as I type this. To my knowledge he hasn't taken anything at all out of the club has he? Not that I'm aware of but it's possible he may have. Otherwise this pocketing concept would be debunked, wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Cock sucker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6434 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Takes one to know one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3978 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Despite everything else, Ashley is the only major shareholder who hasn't pocketed any cash. Is it really beyond people to understand the idea of overall net outlay? Of course any of us would see a windfall as a chance to splash out but that's why none of us are rich. Also it would be pointless from his viewpoint to spend that money if six months later he had to chuck the same in to cover losses. Again that's not a fans view but its reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Despite everything else, Ashley is the only major shareholder who hasn't pocketed any cash. Is it really beyond people to understand the idea of overall net outlay? Of course any of us would see a windfall as a chance to splash out but that's why none of us are rich. Also it would be pointless from his viewpoint to spend that money if six months later he had to chuck the same in to cover losses. Again that's not a fans view but its reality. is it really beyond some people to understand that NUFC are much bigger than the likes of Bolton, blackurn etc and should not be selling their best players and pocketing the money from the sales, instead of backing their managers ? I will remind you that when Mike Ashley bought this club they had the 14th highest revenues in football, so how much more revenues do you need ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34448 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Despite everything else, Ashley is the only major shareholder who hasn't pocketed any cash. Is it really beyond people to understand the idea of overall net outlay? Of course any of us would see a windfall as a chance to splash out but that's why none of us are rich. Also it would be pointless from his viewpoint to spend that money if six months later he had to chuck the same in to cover losses. Again that's not a fans view but its reality. is it really beyond some people to understand that NUFC are much bigger than the likes of Bolton, blackurn etc and should not be selling their best players and pocketing the money from the sales, instead of backing their managers ? I will remind you that when Mike Ashley bought this club they had the 14th highest revenues in football, so how much more revenues do you need ? Argh, Jesus. That's not a response to his post man. FUCKING HELL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Takes one to know one. now now girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Despite everything else, Ashley is the only major shareholder who hasn't pocketed any cash. Is it really beyond people to understand the idea of overall net outlay? Of course any of us would see a windfall as a chance to splash out but that's why none of us are rich. Also it would be pointless from his viewpoint to spend that money if six months later he had to chuck the same in to cover losses. Again that's not a fans view but its reality. is it really beyond some people to understand that NUFC are much bigger than the likes of Bolton, blackurn etc and should not be selling their best players and pocketing the money from the sales, instead of backing their managers ? I will remind you that when Mike Ashley bought this club they had the 14th highest revenues in football, so how much more revenues do you need ? Argh, Jesus. That's not a response to his post man. FUCKING HELL. oh yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6434 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Is there a pantomime missing its robot somewhere? Edited January 20, 2012 by trophyshy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 4855 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) We are 6th at the minute playing with one decent striker. There are a couple of players you would swap in to the current team but as a whole I would rather have our current starting XI Krul -- Given Santon -- Hughes Coloccini -- Dabizas Taylor -- Obrien Simspon -- Griffin Jonas -- Robert Ben Arfa -- Dyer Tiote -- Viana Cabaye -- Jenas Cisse -- Shearer Ba -- Bellamy You are being a bit artistic with Robsons team. Where is Woodgate, Nobby and Speed? Edit: Noticed someone else has pointed this out. Edit: Plus Bramble was better than O'Brien Edit: Plus CIsse has NEVER played for us yet so dont know how good he actually is. Edit: Plus Barfa isnt considered a winger (by Pardew) and has never started a game on the wing in a 4-4-2 Basically the above post is a pile of shit. Edited January 20, 2012 by Holden McGroin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Perhaps to add more colour to the 'pocketing' debate would someone who likes this sort of thing (HF, basically) fancy putting together a what has been spent/invested/input by Ashley against what he may have taken out of the club. Just so we can keep these pockets in some sort of perspective. Maybe this is already in place somewhere? Just interested from a neutral perspective, no axe to grind; i.e. I'm not sucking Ashley off as I type this. To my knowledge he hasn't taken anything at all out of the club has he? Not that I'm aware of but it's possible he may have. Otherwise this pocketing concept would be debunked, wouldn't it? While Ashley hasn't taken any money out, he bought the club cheap (150m) because it had loads of debt and a crippling wage bill. If he sorts the wage bill out and pays off the debt with club earnings - then sells for 300m - he'll be pocketing 150m. So while he hasn't taken any money out, he isn't investing the correct amount on the 1st team. Short sighted people will think he'd sorted the club out so deserves a pay check. But in reality, he'll have held onto the club long enough it pays off it's own debt then resold for profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34448 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 If he sells the club for £300m, he'll deserve every penny that he pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26334 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 While Ashley hasn't taken any money out, he bought the club cheap (150m) because it had loads of debt and a crippling wage bill. If he sorts the wage bill out and pays off the debt with club earnings - then sells for 300m - he'll be pocketing 150m. So while he hasn't taken any money out, he isn't investing the correct amount on the 1st team. Short sighted people will think he'd sorted the club out so deserves a pay check. But in reality, he'll have held onto the club long enough it pays off it's own debt then resold for profit. You've forgotten to factor in all the debt that he did pay off and the additional loans he has given the club in order to make up for ongoing losses since he purchased us. £300m might see him break even on the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 While Ashley hasn't taken any money out, he bought the club cheap (150m) because it had loads of debt and a crippling wage bill. If he sorts the wage bill out and pays off the debt with club earnings - then sells for 300m - he'll be pocketing 150m. So while he hasn't taken any money out, he isn't investing the correct amount on the 1st team. Short sighted people will think he'd sorted the club out so deserves a pay check. But in reality, he'll have held onto the club long enough it pays off it's own debt then resold for profit. But was it bought cheap if it was loaded down with debt and a crippling wage bill? I thought the suggestion was he'd overpaid for it in most people's opinion. And is there any evidence as yet that he's repaid debt out of the club's cashflows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 You've forgotten to factor in all the debt that he did pay off and the additional loans he has given the club in order to make up for ongoing losses since he purchased us. £300m might see him break even on the deal. oh yeah... doh! I guess the point is he doesnt need to take money out, as any money the club has will be reflected in the sale price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I'm still not convinced Phil isn't another forum member on the wind-up btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 But was it bought cheap if it was loaded down with debt and a crippling wage bill? I thought the suggestion was he'd overpaid for it in most people's opinion. And is there any evidence as yet that he's repaid debt out of the club's cashflows? I think that's the point of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I think that's the point of this thread. Cool. What's the upshot then - life's too short to read 42 pages of shizzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Cool. What's the upshot then - life's too short to read 42 pages of shizzle. First post is only one of real worth. The rest is same old. Upshot is Ashley's not spending much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Time to show some respect to Ashley and Llambias? MUCH more of this, and Mike Ashley might be able to start drinking in the Bigg Market again after all. Twelve months after Newcastle United supporters were heartbroken to see Andy Carroll leaving to join Liverpool on transfer-deadline day, some of the damage was finally repaired by the arrival of Papiss Cisse for £9m. A desperate attempt to curry favour following an ill-advised decision to change the name of St James' Park? The more cynical section of the Magpies support will no doubt see it as something similar. But that would be to do a disservice to Ashley and Derek Llambias, figures who continue to attract derision and suspicion in equal measure, but who surely now merit at least a modicum of respect for the manner in which they have set about turning Newcastle United around. After all, for all that the capture of Cisse came somewhat out of the blue, it can hardly be said to have been out of kilter with the general principles that have driven Newcastle's financial and recruitment policies in the last few years. A club that was once synonymous with marquee signings on sky-high wages, bought for vastly-inflated fees, is now being hailed for adopting the kind of nuanced financial approach that the rest of the league is rapidly attempting to copy. The template is now well known. Instead of buying big-name players either at, or even beyond, the peak of their powers, why not target developing talent that will retain or increase their value during the term of their contract? Tap the foreign market because, in general, it tends to be cheaper. Sign young players, preferably 26 or under, because they will hold their value far better than players approaching their 30s. Scout a range of targets thoroughly, and if you can't pull off the deal you want at the first attempt, continue with your monitoring and do not be afraid to make a renewed approach if the opportunity arises. So many clubs' transfer policies appear to be scattergun, reacting to events in the final hours of the transfer window and desperately scrambling around to pick up their rivals' leftovers. Whatever you want to say about the current Newcastle regime, they cannot be accused of that. There is clarity in their approach, and a powerful belief that after a series of errors in the season that resulted in relegation, they have finally hit upon a successful formula. Given the Magpies' performances on the pitch in the first half of the season, it is hard to argue against them. Cheik Tiote, Yohan Cabaye, Demba Ba - all players who have been purchased by the current regime; all players who have performed superbly despite being relatively unheralded when they arrived on Tyneside. Will Papiss Cisse be added to the list? It's dangerous to make too many assumptions, especially with players who have no previous experience of life in the Premier League, but given the strength of his performance in the Bundesliga and the reports that have accompanied him from Germany, it would be a brave man to bet against him. He has all the credentials to become a success as Newcastle's latest number nine, but crucially, his arrival will not break the bank. Was does £10m buy you nowadays? A fifth of Fernando Torres? Less than a third of Carroll? Someone like Andy Johnson or Bobby Zamora if the figures being quoted in the current transfer window are anything to go by? The transfer market remains vastly overheated. Arsene Wenger and Sir Alex Ferguson would rather recall Thierry Henry and Paul Scholes respectively than reach for their wallet in pursuit of a new signing, such is their lack of faith in their ability to secure value for money. Yet, somehow, Newcastle have managed to land a succession of bargains. For that, their scouting team led by Graham Carr deserves considerable credit. But perhaps it is also time to direct some praise towards the board. Not only have they assembled a squad that suddenly looks capable of competing for Europe, they have also addressed the financial calamity they inherited from Freddy Shepherd. Strength, both on and off the pitch. If only they would ditch the Sports Direct Arena and bring back St James' Park, there'd be a queue outside Blue Bambu to buy the first round. http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/9484297.Time_to_show_some_respect_to_Ashley_and_Llambias_/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26334 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) They're still a pair of cunts. Edited January 20, 2012 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshore Toon 0 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I hate Ashley as much as anybody, but if Cissé performs and we carry on our run, this could be a turning point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldstott 0 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 It's difficult to argue with much in that article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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