Andrew 4220 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 And a canny wage so is £1000000 a week is harper on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13847 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 £54325.45 per week after tax on a 4 year contract with image rights, appearances fees and goal bonus. Pretty decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 I'm sure the club would have prefered to pay Harper no wage,but maybe realised his `loyalty' need to come with a wage of £25,000.Would you stay with your current employers and continue to show `loyalty' to the company if you were going to be paid nowt.Staying at NUFC for 20 years has suited both parties.if Harper had been offered another contract and decided is wasn't for him,would he be showing `disloyalty' to NUFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Stop embarrassing yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13847 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 If Harper left Newcastle United to join a unique band of monks in the Himalayas that celebrate the music of George Michael on a daily basis whilst only eating twixes (with rice) would THAT be disloyal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 (edited) Plenty replies but no answers to my questions.Give it a go .I have never worked with anyone who has been loyal to the company who wouldn't have moved if the money was right.So what kind of loyalty is it if it can be bought. Edited March 24, 2013 by essembeeofsunderland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWalrus 0 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 £20k a week is roughly what he is on now. He certainly would have earned a lot less a few years back. I always think its different for keepers to outfield players. 1st choice keepers tend not to get injured very often and its not as if there is another position you could stand in for temporarily. Additionally, you don't see keepers getting a run out in the second half once a game is won. If you're a second choice full back, you know you'll get a run out every now and again to show what you can do. Harper could have left. But he would have no guarantee that he would be first choice. PL clubs change managers so often that things could change and he call fall out of favour. I reckon there is a slight lack of ambition, but there's also a sense of self-awareness. He knows he isn't a world beater and knows that NUFC is about the best level he could aspire to. He also knows that he is financially sorted here and gets to stay close to family and friends. So yes, I think he has shown a slight lack of ambition, but so what? I would have done the same, given his ability as a keeper and his happiness at staying in the north east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4220 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 wheres this 20/25k figure come from btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13847 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 At the height of his abilities what could have he aspired to - and would it have been a gamble? Ambition is no good if you flat on your face. I like Harper, he's a good keeper, a loyal servant to the club & a decent bloke. He's about the least objectionable player in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13847 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 wheres this 20/25k figure come from btw? BW tends to know the crack tbh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 (edited) Thats what i am saying.He's been happy with his package.Loyalty has never entered his head,and it wouldn't enter ours if we had accepted his package.He saw the contracts,he signed them.They suited him.So £500,000 after tax.We'd all be `loyal' for that amount. Edited March 24, 2013 by essembeeofsunderland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWalrus 0 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 I agree that loyalty probably never entered his head personally. That doesn't stop someone from actually being loyal though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Loyal to himself and family is not in dispute.Loyalty when the package suits is easy.I'm `loyal' to my employer because it suits me,but if another firm came calling and offered me a 100% rise ,bringing my wage to £700,00 a year,i'd be off if the package suited me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 He's shown `loyalty' to himself (and family ).Living and working in the north east has suted him ( and the £25,000 ) a week. The package has suited him ( being mainly the number 2 keeper ).Would his `loyalty' have been tested if Man City had come calling ( to repeat myself because no one has addressed this scenario and we know why ) and offered him £100,000 to move his` loyalty' to Manchester. Yeah, we all know why; if it's a ludicrous idea. Say instead Villa came knocking. Would Harper have left? Probably not, no. the sum they'd offer him isn't so vast as to unbalance scales which has loyalty and home-life on one arm and greed on the other. If a Dubai group came in when he was, say, 30 and threw £100k a week after tax at him, would he have left then? I'd say no. Harper just isn't as motivated by money as you discredit him by suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 I think what this whole thread boils down to is that essembee doesn't understand what the word "Loyalty" means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13847 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Exactly - just because loyalty isn't tested - it doesn't mean it's not loyalty. He's been faithful to his employer for nearly 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 The package,including the money,has suited Harper,so why the need to imply i am saying only the money has kept him here for 20 years.I have never said only the money has brought `loyalty' from Harper.He's a local lad.He and his family are settled in the area.He's playing for a local team.The package has suited him.If he moves to another club,he will go because the package suits him.If he'd decided to leave at anytime,would that mean he would have been `disloyal'. If you believe he has been `loyal' then surely the answer has to be YES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13847 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 If he decided to leave he wouldn't have been disloyal because he's served the club for 20 odd years in an arrangement that served both parties. The club have been loyal to him & he has been loyal to the club. Simple. No hypothesis required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 (edited) After how many years can the words `loyal' and or `disloyal' be used.Most players leave before their contracts are up.Are they being `disloyal' if they leave before the contract is up or been `loyal' during their time at the club prior to them leaving. Edited March 24, 2013 by essembeeofsunderland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6434 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Welcome back Leazes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 After how many years can the words `loyal' and or `disloyal' be used.Most players leave before their contracts are up.Are they being `disloyal' if they leave before the contract is up or been `loyal' during their time at the club prior to them leaving. Depends on the nature of the relationship with the club prior to the departure, and the nature of the departure. Sami Hyypia was loyal to Liverpool for the duration of his employ. Ole Gunnar Solskjær was loyal to Man Utd. Were they well paid? Yes, does this mean they can't be loyal? No. How are you struggling with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13847 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 You know what a debate gets to a stage where it's basically about nothing? That's about now. I'm in the abyss. I've bought a house in the abyss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26345 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Fish, if there was ever a time for a distracting gif then this is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38761 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Fish, if there was ever a time for a distracting gif then this is it. True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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