Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 15 minutes ago, Alex said: If you make a claim, can't substantiate the claim, yet still claim to be correct (and actually believe it), you're a fucking idiot. Was that clever enough? No. I express my opinion yet no one seems able to dispute it My best day ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30602 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Well that seems to have made my point for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: No. I express my opinion yet no one seems able to dispute it My best day ever. I think if I was going to counter this point, CT, I would ask this: If everything you said is true, why isn't the government singing about it from the rooftops? Who is actually saying any of that stuff? Apart from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30602 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I think if I was going to counter this point, CT, I would ask this: If everything you said is true, why isn't the government singing about it from the rooftops? Who is actually saying any of that stuff? Apart from you. But can you prove the government aren't saying these things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Never go full Wolfy, CT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Butterfly just flapped its wings somewhere in the Amazon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4242 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 13 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Never go full Wolfy, CT. You know I thought the logic seemed familiar, was wolfy a flat earther? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 A more positive take on Labour's strategy: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/12/brexit-jeremy-corbyn-keir-starmer-labour Corbyn has apparently been making regular trips to Brussels in order to forge relationships with key people in the negotiations, and Labour's overall strategy is one of keeping all options on the table to get the best outcome for the most people, rather than being hamstrung by the need to deliver something that will work for the Tory right wing. The only thing I would add is my standing position of the need to remain flexible in order to capitalise on any misstep that could bring down the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26610 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) At this point I don't even give a shit what the voters think. If Corbyn can get into government, he'll do a far better fucking job of this than the rabble of fucknuts we currently have in control. I base this on the fact that a collection of randoms taken from the street could probably also outperform the Tories. Edited December 12, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26610 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 On 12/7/2017 at 11:10 AM, Christmas Tree said: Your point is that Phase 1 is “set in stone”. Oh hey, @Christmas Tree If you told me that the sky was blue I'd have to look out the window to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Rayvin said: At this point I don't even give a shit what the voters think. If Corbyn can get into government, he'll do a far better fucking job of this than the rabble of fucknuts we currently have in control. I base this on the fact that a collection of randoms taken from the street could probably also outperform the Tories. Are the general public aware of the disdain you hold them in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, Park Life said: Are the general public aware of the disdain you hold them in? This isn't a new thing Parky, I've long been in favour of benevolent dictatorship. Besides, in that post you quoted I considered the general public to be far more capable and competent than the Tories You can't blame people for not understanding how things work, and relying on poisoned and toxic outlets and spin to vote on way or another. Successive governments raised us stupid and compliant, what else is there to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: This isn't a new thing Parky, I've long been in favour of benevolent dictatorship. Besides, in that post you quoted I considered the general public to be far more capable and competent than the Tories You can't blame people for not understanding how things work, and relying on poisoned and toxic outlets and spin to vote on way or another. Successive governments raised us stupid and compliant, what else is there to say Yeah but this isn't America. Most people have some idea what is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30602 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, ewerk said: Oh hey, @Christmas Tree If you told me that the sky was blue I'd have to look out the window to check. Britons have had enough of evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Park Life said: Yeah but this isn't America. Most people have some idea what is going on. Look at it man, you know as well as I fucking do that Brexit isn't actually what people wanted to lash out at. Sure, the EU may not be some great bastion of anything we should aspire to, but this is a fit of misdirected rage if ever there was one. We had a chance to harness that rage into something useful, and fucking look at what we did instead. Edited December 12, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: This isn't a new thing Parky, I've long been in favour of benevolent dictatorship. Besides, in that post you quoted I considered the general public to be far more capable and competent than the Tories You can't blame people for not understanding how things work, and relying on poisoned and toxic outlets and spin to vote on way or another. Successive governments raised us stupid and compliant, what else is there to say You have a soft spot for China then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, Ken said: You have a soft spot for China then? Well, I lived there and saw it work. They'll outpace us all in the end, while we're squabbling about the social sciences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19888 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: The reasonable way to behave is to listen to everything and make your mind up. What about the millions who voted remain because Osborne and the establishment told them of the punishment budget etc. Its not going to lead to hell and fury. Seems likely we will continue to trade pretty much as before with the EU. They’ll buy Scottish whisky and we’ll buy French wines. The bonus is we will be able to add to that trade with India etc. We’ll also be able to stay part of the bits of the EU that benefit us whether security or sciences. And we’ll have a needs driven immigration system rather than an open door. And Billions extra a year to spend on public services. We are on course for all of the above so so far, Im pretty happy with my decision. guaranteed he didn’t type that with a straight face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: Well, I lived there and saw it work. They'll outpace us all in the end, while we're squabbling about the social sciences. It only works because China is unique in its mass of population and the differing ethnic groups that make it up. I don't disagree that China will be a hyperpower eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19888 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, strawb said: I hope it all works out as CT sees it and everything is amazing. Because at the moment the only positive I can see coming out of this pure shit show is CT being finally proven to be wrong with nowhere to hide. Im taking that small victory and holding it very close. Finally? That’s already been the case. conclusively, several matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, Ken said: It only works because China is unique in its mass of population and the differing ethnic groups that make it up. I don't disagree that China will be a hyperpower eventually. Probably true - I'm after one world governance anyway so whoever takes us there is fine by me. Don't see any other outcome for humanity in the long run. The more peaceful it is, the better, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: Probably true - I'm after one world governance anyway so whoever takes us there is fine by me. Don't see any other outcome for humanity in the long run. The more peaceful it is, the better, obviously. Never a truer idealist. I am pragmatic in my views and reject what you believe because it is impossible with religion but that's cool. I respect all opinions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Ken said: Never a truer idealist. I am pragmatic in my views and reject what you believe because it is impossible with religion but that's cool. I respect all opinions. Religion does complicate it. I think I would hope that over the course of the next 100-150 years (it would probably take even longer to get us to single global government tbh), religion would have died a death anyway. Unless it simply morphs into a cultural expression, in which case yeah, it might be insurmountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17876 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: guaranteed he didn’t type that with a straight face Quote And Billions extra a year to spend on public services Guaranteed he was tweaking his button mushroom between his index finger and thumb when he wrote this. Edited December 12, 2017 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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