SpaceCadet 5 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) You say "being in a mutually beneficial union makes us powerful" which is perhaps true but tell me, who exactly would you like to yield such power? Personally I would not trust any man, living nor dead who sought absolute power. Edited April 18, 2018 by SpaceCadet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12896 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) Space Cadet is right. This one is living in the dang clouds! Hello, is that The Jetsons?! One of your lads has fell off the space treadmill. Edited April 18, 2018 by Ayatollah Hermione 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18044 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, SpaceCadet said: You say "being in a mutually beneficial union makes us powerful" which is perhaps true but tell me, who exactly would you like to yield such power? Personally I would not trust any man, living nor dead who sought absolute power. It's not and never will be yielded by one man. The EU is an economic superpower, not a military superpower. And yes, it is much more democratic than I suspect you know or give it credit for. Compare it to the other superpowers which actually have terrifying military power. The USA, China, and Russia. Trump, Jinping, and Putin. Do these people give you comfort? Before you say at least Trump was elected and therefore accountable (dismissing the many controversies regarding his election), consider what executive powers he wields, unaccountable to anyone. He can literally destroy the world on a whim. And yet, rather be part of a democratic union of historically and geographically linked countries, brexiters would rather ally themselves to this demagogue. Incredible really. Edited April 18, 2018 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceCadet 5 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Renton said: Trump, Jinping, and Putin. Do these people give you comfort? Fuck no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 Burn the Witch! Burn the Witch! In a few more posts you’ll discover that you are actually a thick racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26802 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 9 hours ago, SpaceCadet said: Rules and regulations and the ECJ are not my biggest gripe, my issue is with centralised power. I said this from the beginning. I would be happy for the Scottish, Welsh and N. Irish parliament to have more influence within the union on decisions that effect them for the same reason. But Brexit is going to mean that more powers than ever are going to be concentrated among government ministers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26802 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: Burn the Witch! Burn the Witch! In a few more posts you’ll discover that you are actually a thick racist At least the penny is finally starting to drop for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3279 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: Burn the Witch! Burn the Witch! In a few more posts you’ll discover that you are actually a thick racist I think we already know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18044 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 8 hours ago, SpaceCadet said: Fuck no. And yet 2 out of 3 of those arose through mechanisms you want the UK to be solely dependent on. You said you feared the EU would lead to a fascist superstate. What would you describe Russia under Putin as, and increasingly the USA under Trump. Feel free to expand on your opinions from one liners btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14136 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 On 3/23/2018 at 08:05, ewerk said: https://www.ft.com/content/cb3be534-42e9-11e8-93cf-67ac3a6482fd Shocking news, I tell you. SHOCKING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18044 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: Burn the Witch! Burn the Witch! In a few more posts you’ll discover that you are actually a thick racist Racist? I don't think you are. Thick? Definitely. Evidence: 1) You repeatedly avoid questions put to you and instead reply with irrelevant cherry picked soundbites from May's mouth. 2) Incredibly, you actually thought that EU nationals had the vote in the referendum, which explained to you the London Remain vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceCadet 5 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Renton said: What would you describe Russia under Putin as, and increasingly the USA under Trump. Vladimir Putin has more in common with the mob than does with other politicians, everybody including his supporters know he's crooked only we don't exactly know just how crooked he is. Donald Trump is no Calvin Coolidge that is for sure. He is often an embarrassment, especially on social media. There's only so much damage an American president can do anyway (domestically atleast) because their rights are protected by the US constitution. The media built Donald Trump through the primaries anyway to keep Ted Cruz out only for it all to backfire massively which is ironic because there is nobody Trump dislikes more than the MSM yet they unintentionally got him elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30768 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 CT trying to make friends. Bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18044 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, SpaceCadet said: Vladimir Putin has more in common with the mob than does with other politicians, everybody including his supporters know he's crooked only we don't exactly know just how crooked he is. Donald Trump is no Calvin Coolidge that is for sure. He is often an embarrassment, especially on social media. There's only so much damage an American president can do anyway (domestically atleast) because their rights are protected by the US constitution. The media built Donald Trump through the primaries anyway to keep Ted Cruz out only for it all to backfire massively which is ironic because there is nobody Trump dislikes more than the MSM yet they unintentionally got him elected. I guess my feeling is that the fascism you fear from the EU doesn't appear as likely to happen as through a nation state. I detest nationalism for this very reason. It's been pointed out already but the main purpose of the EU, it's raisin d'etre, is to prevent the rise of nationalism and war within Europe. It's worked hasn't it? We've had peace and prosperity for a record period of time. I'm really struggling to understand how you don't accept this and actually seem to think going back to a Europe fragmented by national boundaries will make things better for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26802 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 A cross between CT and Wolfy. Not a good look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30768 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, ewerk said: A cross between CT and Wolfy. Not a good look. And the lad off Game On 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4968 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Gove has just claimed that Brexit has made the UK the most immigration friendly country in the EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18044 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Gove has just claimed that Brexit has made the UK the most immigration friendly country in the EU It's pathetic, the Tories keep twisting negative news and fucking idiots like CT will regurgitate it up as "fact". We're in a situation where it is now acceptable for ministers can blatantly lie to parliament with no recourse. What makes yesterday particularly unpalatable was the Tories background braying to what is a human tragedy. How anyone does not recognise them as scum is beyond me. Edited April 19, 2018 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceCadet 5 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 46 minutes ago, Renton said: I guess my feeling is that the fascism you fear from the EU doesn't appear as likely to happen as through a nation state. I detest nationalism for this very reason. It's been pointed out already but the main purpose of the EU, it's raisin d'etre, is to prevent the rise of nationalism and war within Europe. It's worked hasn't it? We've had peace and prosperity for a record period of time. I'm really struggling to understand how you don't accept this and actually seem to think going back to a Europe fragmented by national boundaries will make things better for us? It's not about nationalism vs globalism That's social media talk between populist tarts and momentum fruitcakes, l sometimes enjoy sitting back in the real world and watching the shit show unfold but that conversation isn't for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18044 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, SpaceCadet said: It's not about nationalism vs globalism That's social media talk between populist tarts and momentum fruitcakes, l sometimes enjoy sitting back in the real world and watching the shit show unfold but that conversation isn't for me. I have no idea what you are talking about but I'm pretty sure you haven't responded to any of the issues raised yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30768 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Noteworthy that even someone of obvious intelligence can't make a case for leaving the EU which includes anything that equates to a tangible benefit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Alex said: CT trying to make friends. Bless I consider you all my friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceCadet 5 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Renton said: I have no idea what you are talking about but I'm pretty sure you haven't responded to any of the issues raised yet. I get it, I have to read your comments twice sometimes myself. I think we're just two different people from two different generations. You should sign up to twitter, I can almost guarantee you'll find your answers on there. It's full of people who share in your ideology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceCadet 5 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alex said: CT trying to make friends. Bless Not a bad thing. He can pop round one day if he likes, I'd be happy to lend him my copy of 1984 or Animal Farm (no not that one). Edited April 19, 2018 by SpaceCadet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4968 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, SpaceCadet said: I get it, I have to read your comments twice sometimes myself. I think we're just two different people from two different generations. You should sign up to twitter, I can almost guarantee you'll find your answers on there. It's full of people who share in your ideology. What ideology is it that you think Renton has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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