Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, ewerk said: CCTV won't work. No broadband? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34464 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, Meenzer said: It's a team game and you're a true fan. He should get a blue hoodie and start recording True Tory videos for YouTube. No need to alter the diet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Honestly you need a calm sit down. We had a referendum, were given options and the majority won. I liked the idea of as free access as possible to the single market and the ability to do our own free trade deals with the rest of the worlds. 18 months later this is still the position of the UK government. I thought that the cabinet were only meeting this week to decide their position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Gemmill said: He should get a blue hoodie and start recording True Tory videos for YouTube. No need to alter the diet. 'Who do you want as new Prime Minister?' 'Give it Moggsy til the end of the season'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34464 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, ewerk said: I thought that the cabinet were only meeting this week to decide their position? First time they've discussed it today. Incredibly they do actually agree with the stupidest person on this forum though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, ewerk said: Where on your ballot did it say, 'Do you want to leave the single market and customs union?'? Cameron, Osborne etc all made that perfectly clear on TV and in every paper. The prime minister said: “What the British public will be voting for is to leave the EU and leave the single market.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, ewerk said: I thought that the cabinet were only meeting this week to decide their position? Lancaster House? Florence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Cameron, Osborne etc all made that perfectly clear on TV and in every paper. The prime minister said: “What the British public will be voting for is to leave the EU and leave the single market.” Not what your lot were saying though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17780 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Honestly you need a calm sit down. We had a referendum, were given options and the majority won. I liked the idea of as free access as possible to the single market and the ability to do our own free trade deals with the rest of the worlds. 18 months later this is still the position of the UK government. The EU know (they pretend they don’t), pretty much what we are after and have not told us to sling our hook. We don’t want WTO and neither do they, so the only outcomes are a bespoke deal, total capitulation from the UK, WTO rules or Brexit is cancelled. Ive been clear all along that if we don’t get good access and our own FTA’s then it’s not what I voted for and I’d be happy with Brexit cancelled. All I’m doing is backing the UK governments current position. No country has Brexited before so not even Barnier and Tusk don’t know what the end result will be, never mind a few loons on a football board. As you well know, there were no options how to leave. Given the closeness of the referendum, the logical position should be to seek the softest Brexit possible (the Norway option). This would allow us to keep the FTAs you want (without explaining why) and avoid direct ECJ jurisdiction. But May's red lines make this impossible. Europe can't change their red lines, it's in the constitution and we can't uave superior terms to good neighbours, like Norway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30414 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Just as well Cameron and Osbourne hung around to influence events after the referendum then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, ewerk said: Not what your lot were saying though. I give you the PM and chancellor and you give me that bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17780 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, ewerk said: Not what your lot were saying though. Farage was a huge fan if the Norway model until he was told they have FOM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30414 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 UKIP et al had no influence on the result. Whereas the PM and Chancellor at the time (who campaigned for remain) did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Renton said: As you well know, there were no options how to leave. Given the closeness of the referendum, the logical position should be to seek the softest Brexit possible (the Norway option). This would allow us to keep the FTAs you want (without explaining why) and avoid direct ECJ jurisdiction. But May's red lines make this impossible. Europe can't change their red lines, it's in the constitution and we can't uave superior terms to good neighbours, like Norway. Surely the most logical option is to negotiate the best deal we can get and save things like the Norway option as a fallback? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: I give you the PM and chancellor and you give me that bunch. Cameron and Osborne were saying it as a negative possibility after the vote. The leavers denied it because they knew that people wouldn’t vote to be worse off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 In other less exciting news, the government are legislating to hide who was behind the mystery Brexit donation laundered through the DUP to fund the Leave campaign in Great Britain. Absolutely shameful abuse of secondary legislation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 In other news, Forbes choose the UK as the best country to do business 2018. https://t.co/8BD2DaZwop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 So why are we leaving the EU then if we’re so great in it? The U.K. ranked among the top 25 countries (out of 153 measured) in each of the 15 metrics tracked, outside of political risk where it ranked twenty-eighth. Just as well there’s no political upheaval happening. Britain’s reign as the top country could be brief as companies’ plans for Brexit unfold. London might lose 10,000 banking jobs as a result of Brexit, according to think tank Bruegel. Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, Nomura and Standard Charter are moving their EU headquarters to Frankfurt, with Paris and Dublin landing spots for other banks looking to ensure access to the single market. No comment needed. We determined the Best Countries for Business by rating 153 nations on 15 different factors including property rights, innovation, taxes, technology, corruption, freedom (personal, trade and monetary), red tape and investor protection. Each category was equally weighted. But I thought that EU red tape and bureaucracy was killing us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30414 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 You should read these articles instead of just the headlines before you post them in future, CT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I mean you’ve literally posted an article about how great we are in the EU with the major black mark against us being Brexit. You literally cannot understand what you’re reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 12 minutes ago, ewerk said: So why are we leaving the EU then if we’re so great in it? Just as well there’s no political upheaval happening. No comment needed. But I thought that EU red tape and bureaucracy was killing us? Only political upheaval is a Possible labour government, the bank exodus was project fear and we’ll have even less bureaucracy once we leave. Just a gentle reminder that we are not the pit of despair some of you make out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 You did hear the news yesterday that outside of the Single Market there’s no chance of the banks keeping passporting rights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3205 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Is it bad I want CT to be raped to death by an Elephant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26347 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Seems a bit rough for the elephant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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