Rayvin 4984 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I wonder what the effect of that will be on the party. I'm genuinely curious actually. There'll inevitably be an exodus of members, and I suspect that Labour will be unelectable for many years to come... but maybe we'll all have forgotten about it come 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13921 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I'll cancel my membership and I'm sure a good few hundred thousand will do the same. If they aren't going to even pretend to be vaguely democratic what's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36468 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Â [emoji38] Â I like him exponentially more every time I watch it. I sing shit wherever i walk all the time. Â I wonder if he's thinking of taking food out of the mouths of disabled children to enrich those in the top 1 percentile while he does it though? He sounds much too happy, more like father Dougal forgetting that he's even done it in the first place I like to think the "Right. Good." was prompted by Sam Cam, starkers and on all fours at the top of the stairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14221 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 If Theresa May delivers a working class robust Brexit she could easily destroy Labour in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4984 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I'll cancel my membership and I'm sure a good few hundred thousand will do the same. If they aren't going to even pretend to be vaguely democratic what's the point? Â I think I'm with you on that, what would be the point in hanging about? Â Â If Theresa May delivers a working class robust Brexit she could easily destroy Labour in 2020. Â If she goes that far for appealing to the working class, what would be the point of Labour anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4044 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Â I think I'm with you on that, what would be the point in hanging about? Â Â Â If she goes that far for appealing to the working class, what would be the point of Labour anyway? That's what my point is when arguing with Renton - a choice between two virtually identical platforms which relies on tradition and heritage of a name alone is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Hate to say it, having chastised CT for not having principles earlier but given the absolute shite state of the country, I am optimistic to hear what May's policies will be having read her speech this morning (full text here http://www.theresa2016.co.uk/we_can_make_britain_a_country_that_works_for_everyone ) Â Wait and see how it goes tbh, she is meant to be more right wing than Cameron whose one nation toryism and big society didnt make it past the first month in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4984 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) Hate to say it, having chastised CT for not having principles earlier but given the absolute shite state of the country, I am optimistic to hear what May's policies will be having read her speech this morning (full text here http://www.theresa2016.co.uk/we_can_make_britain_a_country_that_works_for_everyone ) Â Wait and see how it goes tbh, she is meant to be more right wing than Cameron whose one nation toryism and big society didnt make it past the first month in office. Â I saw some optimism in her stances as well, so I agree there - a lot of it sounds sensible and promising. Â just don't see how centre-left Labour can work anymore as a result. She's just taken their position. Â Corbyn or bust, now. Edited July 11, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18377 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I like to think the "Right. Good." was prompted by Sam Cam, starkers and on all fours at the top of the stairs. You filthy beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18377 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Â I saw some optimism in her stances as well, so I agree there - a lot of it sounds sensible and promising. Â just don't see how centre-left Labour can work anymore as a result. She's just taken their position. Â Corbyn or bust, now. And yet what do you think Corbyn can do without the support of the plp? Haven't read what May has said yet and wouldn't believe a word of it anyway, but there is still plenty of space in the centre left to occupy I'm sure. Â Personally I'm more convinced than ever that what we need now is proportional representation otherwise those at the fringes are never going to be heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4984 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Agree on PR. Â Agree that there's nothing Corbyn can do without the PLP, also. My point really was that the PLP need to shift left or they're not going to have anywhere else to stand. Â Maybe you're right about the centreleft, but if May's speech is anything to go by, the Tories just moved closer to that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4044 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Don't forget her speech was intended to win the leadership by distancing herself from Leadsom - now there's no contest she can be "honest". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 15092 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Hate to say it, having chastised CT for not having principles earlier but given the absolute shite state of the country, I am optimistic to hear what May's policies will be having read her speech this morning (full text here http://www.theresa2016.co.uk/we_can_make_britain_a_country_that_works_for_everyone )  Wait and see how it goes tbh, she is meant to be more right wing than Cameron whose one nation toryism and big society didnt make it past the first month in office.  Her voting history doesn't really tally with what she's said today, but tbf she wouldn't have lasted long in the cabinet if she kept on voting against the government  http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-prime-minister-andrea-leadsom-policies-voting-record-human-rights-what-did-she-mean-a7130961.html  It looks a bit if a stretch that she's suddenly become a socially conscious moderate in three weeks tbh. But she did challenge the police on stop and search, she voted for same sex marriage and brought legislation in on modern day slavery. Mixed bag, but best to file under "vile Tory bigot" until proved otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4984 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) Don't forget her speech was intended to win the leadership by distancing herself from Leadsom - now there's no contest she can be "honest". Â Aye, guess that's a fair point. We'll see at the end of the day, I guess. Edited July 11, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Sky poll today.  Should there be a general election? 47% no 44% yes  Who do you want as PM?  67% May 18% Corbyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6167 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Poll of who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13921 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Neither of those polls add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Poll of who? Â Meerkats at London Zoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Neither of those polls add up. I'm sure you can work out where the "don't knows" fit in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18377 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I'm sure you can work out where the "don't knows" fit in Yes and no should be mutually exclusive, but the first poll adds up to 101%? I assume it's a rounding artefact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Yes and no should be mutually exclusive, but the first poll adds up to 101%? I assume it's a rounding artefact. 101?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Poll of who? Â The people in his kitchen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18377 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 101?? Â I'm tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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