Renton 24940 Posted Thursday at 18:11 Share Posted Thursday at 18:11 Israel furious that a missile hitting a hospital is a war crime? Hello? How the fuck can they say this with a straight face? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 13228 Posted Friday at 02:31 Share Posted Friday at 02:31 8 hours ago, Renton said: Israel furious that a missile hitting a hospital is a war crime? Hello? How the fuck can they say this with a straight face? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11596 Posted Friday at 10:04 Share Posted Friday at 10:04 I chuckled until the final word, then my pinafore slipped and my wokeness showed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6683 Posted Friday at 10:44 Share Posted Friday at 10:44 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/19/netanyahu-son-wedding-comments-israel-backlash Netanyahu has now claimed in amongst the carnage that he is feeling a very real personal cost in all of this - his son had to postpone his wedding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11596 Posted Friday at 10:51 Share Posted Friday at 10:51 4 minutes ago, Rayvin said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/19/netanyahu-son-wedding-comments-israel-backlash Netanyahu has now claimed in amongst the carnage that he is feeling a very real personal cost in all of this - his son had to postpone his wedding. How's this going to impact Sunderland attendances? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 24337 Posted yesterday at 11:44 Share Posted yesterday at 11:44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6683 Posted yesterday at 14:25 Share Posted yesterday at 14:25 Funny how often we get to call him that. Maybe the right are correct, maybe they really are all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34909 Posted yesterday at 14:37 Share Posted yesterday at 14:37 In fairness you can hardly expect the Prime Minister to say anything different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6683 Posted yesterday at 14:41 Share Posted yesterday at 14:41 I don't think that saves him from the accusation tbh. He's taking a stance because of his office, fine, I can understand it rationally, but his soul remains sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34909 Posted yesterday at 16:52 Share Posted yesterday at 16:52 That went a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6683 Posted yesterday at 19:37 Share Posted yesterday at 19:37 I wonder how it even happens. You reckon that these people get into office, finally understand how everything works and then think to themselves that they're simply too small to upset that many applecarts all at once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 13228 Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 14 hours ago, wykikitoon said: Defended, as in a barrister under the cab rank rule, or politically? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 8022 Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 22 hours ago, wykikitoon said: The absolute fucking hypocrisy of a politician calling another one a hypocrite. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 8107 Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago Starmer was doing his job as a human rights barrister and giving the bloke his statutory entitlement to a legal defence. That doesn't mean he necessarily agreed with it, anymore than a barrister defending someone up on a murder charge is a massive fan of murder. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24940 Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago I have a massive issue with him on what he said about immigration which was frankly disgusting and maybe unforgiveable. I hope this was an aberration caused by an errant speech writer cos its actually quite out of character. But some of the other criticism of him is not justified. He's 100 times preferable to the previous 3 tory leaders l, for starters. People should remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 8022 Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago Only the previous 3? Did you have a 'thing' for Theresa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24940 Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago I lost count. Okay, I'll go back 6. John Mayor looks positively statesman like compared to what's on offer nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 8022 Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Renton said: I lost count. Okay, I'll go back 6. John Mayor looks positively statesman like compared to what's on offer nowadays. I think Major got, and still gets a bad rep. Succeeding Thatcher was always going to be a busted flush and Black Wednesday was a fucking disaster of biblical proportions. Like the recently departed Tory government, he knew they were on their way out long before the General Election, but unlike Johnson, Truss, Sunak, etc. I didn't see him deliberately sabotaging what was to be inherited. He lay foundations both economically and in terms of the peace process that the incoming Labour government pushed on with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 38338 Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 2 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said: Starmer was doing his job as a human rights barrister and giving the bloke his statutory entitlement to a legal defence. That doesn't mean he necessarily agreed with it, anymore than a barrister defending someone up on a murder charge is a massive fan of murder. 100%. I’ve got a lot of issues with him but that’s a fucking pathetic tweet imo. It’s almost Owen Jones levels of naive simplicity 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6683 Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/23/yvette-cooper-vows-ban-palestine-action-anti-terrorism-laws Palestine Action going to be a terrorist organisation now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24940 Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Well, the article says they were violent and I heard on the radio they had caused millions of pounds of damage? I'm not necessarily believing this or defending them being put on the banned list. But what I would say is why were they targeting the RAF? Have the RAF been bombing Gaza? There's ways of protesting without making yourselves a national security threat. I also simply don't accept the UK is culpable for the horrendous situation in Gaza. Realistically, what can the government do? I guess be more condemnatory but honestly don't see that doing any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6683 Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, Renton said: Well, the article says they were violent and I heard on the radio they had caused millions of pounds of damage? I'm not necessarily believing this or defending them being put on the banned list. But what I would say is why were they targeting the RAF? Have the RAF been bombing Gaza? There's ways of protesting without making yourselves a national security threat. I also simply don't accept the UK is culpable for the horrendous situation in Gaza. Realistically, what can the government do? I guess be more condemnatory but honestly don't see that doing any good. We're flying surveillance to support Israeli bombardment - hence hitting the RAF. No one voted for it, but we're doing it. https://www.declassifieduk.org/britain-sent-over-500-spy-flights-to-gaza/ I mean I don't actually agree with it either for what it's worth but if this is terrorism then so is destroying Tesla - seems Starmer agrees with Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24940 Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Rayvin said: We're flying surveillance to support Israeli bombardment - hence hitting the RAF. No one voted for it, but we're doing it. https://www.declassifieduk.org/britain-sent-over-500-spy-flights-to-gaza/ I mean I don't actually agree with it either for what it's worth but if this is terrorism then so is destroying Tesla - seems Starmer agrees with Trump. The linked article doesn't really offer any proof the RAF are launching these flights for any other reasons than the stated purpose of hostage location. If the implication is that the RAF are involved in genocidal activity I hope that comes out one day if it's true. Think there is quite a difference between setting alight a Tesla and breaking into MoD land as well, but again I don't know what's really happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6683 Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Just now, Renton said: The linked article doesn't really offer any proof the RAF are launching these flights for any other reasons than the stated purpose of hostage location. If the implication is that the RAF are involved in genocidal activity I hope that comes out one day if it's true. Think there is quite a difference between setting alight a Tesla and breaking into MoD land as well, but again I don't know what's really happened. You see what you want to see, I'm not here to persuade you. I'm just explaining why they did it. As for the Tesla thing, both were political acts of criminal damage. I could see the UK calling this sabotage, but not terrorism. Terrorism is a fucking stupid thing to call it - but it does give the government the largest number of options to silence people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34909 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago Aye, worryingly authoritarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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