Politics

[Toonpack 12730]

7 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

I've genuinely never heard anyone have anything good to say about Neville Trotter mind. He did absolutely fuck all of note in his protracted time as an MP other than hold back good people like Paddy Cosgrove imo. Thankfully the last tory MP ever to win in Tyne and Wear I believe.

 

Tynemouth MP, define "achieved" because he plagued us on behalf of his less well off constituents, which is what an MP should do.

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[Renton 25139]

5 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

Tynemouth MP, define "achieved" because he plagued us on behalf of his less well off constituents, which is what an MP should do.

 

Well he was before my time really but my impression from my parents was he wasn't a good local MP. I think it's on record he barely ever uttered a word in parliament. MPs of that length should be able to point to something they have done.

 

Also, I disagree that somehow back in the 70s people voted on the basis of locality. If anything back then it was much more partisan and people voted for the party of their class. The map was red in the North, Blue in the South, with a few brummy cunts swinging it for Thatcher in the middle. A vote for Trotter was a vote for Thatcher. I would never vote Tory for any reason under any circumstances, ever.

[Toonpack 12730]

36 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Well he was before my time really but my impression from my parents was he wasn't a good local MP. I think it's on record he barely ever uttered a word in parliament. MPs of that length should be able to point to something they have done.

 

Also, I disagree that somehow back in the 70s people voted on the basis of locality. If anything back then it was much more partisan and people voted for the party of their class. The map was red in the North, Blue in the South, with a few brummy cunts swinging it for Thatcher in the middle. A vote for Trotter was a vote for Thatcher. I would never vote Tory for any reason under any circumstances, ever.

 

I can only comment on my experience re: Trotter and I was 21 and hardly particularly politically aware, wish I wasn't now tbh.

 

And I never said the bold bit or referenced the 70's but it is a fact that just about solely thanks to Southern England we have had Tory PM's/Governments.

[Rayvin 6740]

 

This video showed up in my feed and I immediately thought it would be some sort of right wing nonsense - but I watched it anyway and the guy is actually really good and tackling the issue legitimately, including HS2, housing, all sorts. However, I don't know that much about this area, so if anyone can be arsed having it on in the background at any point, I'd appreciate a view. He's pretty easy listening.

 

Fairly non-political, and yet...

[Rayvin 6740]

4 hours ago, Rayvin said:

And in news which I guarantee is going to annoy absolutely everyone... Corbyn is exploring setting up a new left wing party.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/03/jeremy-corbyn-hints-at-launch-of-new-party-as-leftwing-alternative-to-labour

 

Zara Sultana has now run off to this too.

[Dr Gloom 24800]

6 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Zara Sultana has now run off to this too.

This is great news for Reform

[Rayvin 6740]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

This is great news for Reform

 

Absolutely is yeah. Still think Starmer deserves it though.

[Dr Gloom 24800]

Just now, Rayvin said:

 

Absolutely is yeah. Still think Starmer deserves it though.

If he had any balls he’d start the ball rolling on electoral reform because that’s the only chance of a progressive-led coalition in four years time. (Not the Starmer’s Labour have done anything particularly progressive).

 

But he doesn’t, so he won’t. 

[Rayvin 6740]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

If he had any balls he’d start the ball rolling on electoral reform because that’s the only chance of a progressive-led coalition in four years time. (Not the Starmer’s Labour have done anything particularly progressive).

 

But he doesn’t, so he won’t. 

 

Weirdly, it's possible that Farage might deliver that when Reform win. It's a manifesto point for them isn't it? Could be the necessary evil we need to get fucking rid of this two party system once and for all.

[Dr Gloom 24800]

Reform are going to romp home aren’t they with both Labour and Tories haemorrhaging votes. 2029 might be the year to emigrate 

[Rayvin 6740]

Yeah just checked, Reform are committed to PR. That's the one silver lining here tbh. Starmer might well be too chicken to do it but Farage will because it'll represent his complete and total victory over British politics. I might actually be willing him on with that  Fucking hell.

[RobinRobin 13285]

6 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

2029 might be the year to emigrate 

 

 

[Renton 25139]

9 hours ago, Rayvin said:

Yeah just checked, Reform are committed to PR. That's the one silver lining here tbh. Starmer might well be too chicken to do it but Farage will because it'll represent his complete and total victory over British politics. I might actually be willing him on with that  Fucking hell.

 

Am I allowed to say "naive" here? If farage wins that's the end of the UK. He's promised the moon on a stick because that's what these popularists do, but I wouldnt expect him to honour a single election promise. A reform victory would simply be the final nail in the coffin for this country. 

I know you're incredibly despondent about the UK at the minute but I for one still feel things are worth fighting for and want a future for my children. The political landscape is incredibly unstable at the moment. Starmer has made mistakes, which he has admitted and apologised for, but the vitriol against him from all sides is off the scale. He doesn't deserve it imo. And Farage will NEVER be the answer, I would never trust a word he says.

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[Renton 25139]

3 hours ago, RobinRobin said:

 

 

 

Australia: population density 3 people per km2.

UK: population density 273 people per km2.

London: population density 5643 per km2.

 

Yet London is full of you ozzie cunts! 

[wykikitoon 24541]

Was riding with a mate on Weds and he said his wife had just been made redundant.  She is a teaching assistant and he blamed it on the rise in NI.  Well that's what the school said too.  He was saying that she may have to go on job seekers and that isn't much.  He then had a rant saying the government need to get those sitting on their arse into work and stop sponging.  I couldn't get my head around it.  Here he is saying it's fuck all yet the others are sat on a decent screw.  He said he's always been a labour voter but he's not happy with Starmer.

[Gemmill 53933]

As if it's not bad enough that she's lost her job, you're riding her husband ffs. 

[Rayvin 6740]

2 hours ago, Renton said:

 

Am I allowed to say "naive" here? If farage wins that's the end of the UK. He's promised the moon on a stick because that's what these popularists do, but I wouldnt expect him to honour a single election promise. A reform victory would simply be the final nail in the coffin for this country. 

I know you're incredibly despondent about the UK at the minute but I for one still feel things are worth fighting for and want a future for my children. The political landscape is incredibly unstable at the moment. Starmer has made mistakes, which he has admitted and apologised for, but the vitriol against him from all sides is off the scale. He doesn't deserve it imo. And Farage will NEVER be the answer, I would never trust a word he says.

 

Not sure, naive for what? I'm not for a second saying I'd vote for the silly daft bastard, I'm just pointing out that he'll likely do what he says on this one as he's been pushing for it the entire time he's been politically involved. I also don't think it'll destroy the country tbh - Trump and Brexit prove that countries can survive a lot of shit. It'll be horrifying, but the UK will exist on the other side of it.

 

I'm really just saying that if we have to have a party of incompetent fascists in charge, I'd prefer them to be pro PR.

[Holden McGroin 8275]

5 hours ago, RobinRobin said:

 

 

You sound like a Reformer.

[Alex 38553]

6 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Not sure, naive for what? I'm not for a second saying I'd vote for the silly daft bastard, I'm just pointing out that he'll likely do what he says on this one as he's been pushing for it the entire time he's been politically involved. I also don't think it'll destroy the country tbh - Trump and Brexit prove that countries can survive a lot of shit. It'll be horrifying, but the UK will exist on the other side of it.

 

I'm really just saying that if we have to have a party of incompetent fascists in charge, I'd prefer them to be pro PR.

He was pushing it when the two party system combined with FPTP meant PR was an expedient solution to (for example) 7% of the vote getting his party about 7% of the MPs in parliament. If that’s no longer the case he’s not going to pursue it any more, ie if c. 30% gets him a majority 

[Renton 25139]

20 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Not sure, naive for what? I'm not for a second saying I'd vote for the silly daft bastard, I'm just pointing out that he'll likely do what he says on this one as he's been pushing for it the entire time he's been politically involved. I also don't think it'll destroy the country tbh - Trump and Brexit prove that countries can survive a lot of shit. It'll be horrifying, but the UK will exist on the other side of it.

 

I'm really just saying that if we have to have a party of incompetent fascists in charge, I'd prefer them to be pro PR.

 

I think you're being naive thinking Farage would support PR if he actually somehow won a majority. I wouldn't trust a word he says personally.

 

I think he'd set back the UK in the manner of Argentina. Markets would lose confidence (sorry, but that's important), the economy would be destroyed, public services would be decimated, Scotland would be in open revolt. Oh, and you can forget rejoining the EU or even closer ties in a lifetime, he'd poison that well.

 

We would come out of it but our children's futures would be ruined. I'd obviously lose my job on a personal level probably on day one.

 

I don't think Farage will win a majority however. There are plenty of things to go wrong for his party, he has a track record for it, I just can't see him holding it together and persuading middle England once he is forced to produce a proper manifesto.

Edited 6 hours ago by Renton

[Dr Gloom 24800]

10 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

I think you're being naive thinking Farage would support PR if he actually somehow won a majority. I wouldn't trust a word he says personally.

 

I think he'd set back the UK in the manner of Argentina. Markets would lose confidence (sorry, but that's important), the economy would be destroyed, public services would be decimated, Scotland would be in open revolt. Oh, and you can forget rejoining the EU or even closer ties in a lifetime, he'd poison that well.

 

We would come out of it but our children's futures would be ruined. I'd obviously lose my job on a personal level probably on day one.

 

I don't think Farage will win a majority however. There are plenty of things to go wrong for his party, he has a track record for it, I just can't see him holding it together and persuading middle England once he is forced to produce a proper manifesto.

 

there's also the question of whether he actually wants to govern, or not. i suspect the latter because it's too much hard work. he's a campaigner, an effective one at that. i think his goal is to pull uk politics as far to the right as possible (something he has already managed to do) while having his say from the backbenches, or possibly the cabinet, as part of a coalition government. 

[Rayvin 6740]

I want to be clear here that I'm not saying I would take Reform  Gloom said it was a shame Labour wasn't going to implement PR and I mused that Reform at least have it squarely on their manifesto, and whatever you may think of them part of their angle is being reliable against what they promise. Their manifesto references being a 'contract' with the voters, so I think we'd have to acknowledge that they do indeed intend to implement some of this and PR is quite probably one of the easiest ones because it doesn't really cost anything compared to 90% of the rest of it.

 

If they win I think they'll bring it in. Doesn't make it worth them winning, but it is a silver lining.

[Alex 38553]

Well he spent ages trying to become an MP. Only to not actually do the job once it happened. Much like when he was an MEP. So the point about whether he wants to govern / actually put the time in is a good one 

[Alex 38553]

1 minute ago, Rayvin said:

I want to be clear here that I'm not saying I would take Reform  Gloom said it was a shame Labour wasn't going to implement PR and I mused that Reform at least have it squarely on their manifesto, and whatever you may think of them part of their angle is being reliable against what they promise. Their manifesto references being a 'contract' with the voters, so I think we'd have to acknowledge that they do indeed intend to implement some of this and PR is quite probably one of the easiest ones because it doesn't really cost anything compared to 90% of the rest of it.

 

If they win I think they'll bring it in. Doesn't make it worth them winning, but it is a silver lining.

I know. I just think they’d renege on that promise once they didn’t need PR. A bloke who cosied up to Trump isn’t interested in PR from the point of view of it being more democratic 

[RobinRobin 13285]

3 hours ago, Renton said:

 

Australia: population density 3 people per km2.

UK: population density 273 people per km2.

London: population density 5643 per km2.

 

Yet London is full of you ozzie cunts! 

 

55 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

You sound like a Reformer.