spongebob toonpants 5181 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 This bloke speaks well, answers the gotcha questions brilliantly, and makes Phillips looks like a smug prick He's much more likely to keep Farage out of power than Starmer as long as he can get the air time It's time for me to join the Greens I think, they've definitely got my vote for the foreseeable future 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62983 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 Just now, spongebob toonpants said: This bloke speaks well, answers the gotcha questions brilliantly, and makes Phillips looks like a smug prick He's much more likely to keep Farage out of power than Starmer as long as he can get the air time It's time for me to join the Greens I think, they've definitely got my vote for the foreseeable future I was hovering over the button to join last week or the week before. If the movement can retain momentum they do seem to have a genuine chance of doing something. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27740 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 20 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I was hovering over the button to join last week or the week before. If the movement can retain momentum they do seem to have a genuine chance of doing something. He's a popularist. People should be wary of them on either side of the divide imo. I think it's quite unlikely the Greens will usurp or replace Labour, especially with his immigration stance, so really Farage is rubbing his hands together. I fully understand the reservations people have regarding legacy parties, but fuck me the popularists scare me much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27740 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 Read an interesting stat yesterday regarding the housing crisis. Apparently >90% of people aged >65 years live with a partner only or alone. There are an estimated TEN MILLION spare bed rooms associated with this cohort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 5181 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 2 minutes ago, Renton said: He's a popularist. People should be wary of them on either side of the divide imo. I think it's quite unlikely the Greens will usurp or replace Labour, especially with his immigration stance, so really Farage is rubbing his hands together. I fully understand the reservations people have regarding legacy parties, but fuck me the popularists scare me much more. Did you watch the interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62983 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 4 minutes ago, Renton said: He's a popularist. People should be wary of them on either side of the divide imo. I think it's quite unlikely the Greens will usurp or replace Labour, especially with his immigration stance, so really Farage is rubbing his hands together. I fully understand the reservations people have regarding legacy parties, but fuck me the popularists scare me much more. Maybe the left needs a populist leader though. We're fucked with what we've currently got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 5181 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 People are desperate to vote for hope/change That's why Farage and Mamdani are winning, and why the Starmer Labout party is doomed 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27740 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 3 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: Did you watch the interview Not that one, Ive heard him talk several times and am aware of his policies. I mean, he is a self confirmed populist though. Says some odd stuff, like this. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27740 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 3 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: People are desperate to vote for hope/change That's why Farage and Mamdani are winning, and why the Starmer Labout party is doomed It's usually false hope tbh, it was with Corbyn imo. Not so much for Mumdani because his mayoral pledges are actually quite modest and localised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 42073 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 It’s in that interview and he’s answering a question. He says (I’m paraphrasing ) it’s unlikely but the possibility of negotiations for peace shouldn’t be off the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 14487 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 2 minutes ago, Alex said: It’s in that interview and he’s answering a question. He says (I’m paraphrasing ) it’s unlikely but the possibility of negotiations for peace shouldn’t be off the table. Sounds like something Trump would say. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27740 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Maybe the left needs a populist leader though. We're fucked with what we've currently got. The whole point of a populist though is to gain power by promising whatever people in their demographic groups want to hear. You won't hear anything about trade offs or the practicalities of economic reality. Also, when Labour have come to power they're effectively ham strung by the markets and their own left. Populists, who aim for broad heterogeneous appeal even more, would be even more incoherent imo. When has any good come from a populist? Edited November 10 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 42073 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 1 minute ago, Renton said: It's usually false hope tbh, it was with Corbyn imo. Not so much for Mumdani because his mayoral pledges are actually quite modest and localised. Were Corbyn’s pledges undeliverable though? His domestic ones anyway. He’d have been a disaster in terms of foreign affairs and was too stupid to play the game and say the right things. He didn’t lose because of what he wanted to do domestically. I don’t know if the greens are the answer. I fear with fptp they might help deliver a reform government and then fuck knows what disasters will befall this country. But Labour can’t continue with their competent version of the tories schtick. It’s got no fucking appeal beyond not making things worse. They continue to ignore the issue of leaving the EU and offer nothing in terms of vision whilst chasing voters who’d rather not vote than vote for them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27740 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 48 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: This bloke speaks well, answers the gotcha questions brilliantly, and makes Phillips looks like a smug prick He's much more likely to keep Farage out of power than Starmer as long as he can get the air time It's time for me to join the Greens I think, they've definitely got my vote for the foreseeable future Watching it now. Hopelessly naive regarding nuclear deterrent and his poppy choice proves he's a mackem. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 42073 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 Just now, Renton said: Watching it now. Hopelessly naive regarding nuclear deterrent and his poppy choice proves he's a mackem. 👍 I do agree on nuclear weapons. No one is getting rid any time soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27740 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 2 minutes ago, Alex said: Were Corbyn’s pledges undeliverable though? His domestic ones anyway. He’d have been a disaster in terms of foreign affairs and was too stupid to play the game and say the right things. He didn’t lose because of what he wanted to do domestically. I don’t know if the greens are the answer. I fear with fptp they might help deliver a reform government and then fuck knows what disasters will befall this country. But Labour can’t continue with their competent version of the tories schtick. It’s got no fucking appeal beyond not making things worse. They continue to ignore the issue of leaving the EU and offer nothing in terms of vision whilst chasing voters who’d rather not vote than vote for them. I think Corbyns pledges were highly likely to be unaffordable. I agree Labour are looking fucked. Hold on, listening to that interview, Polanski says he would work with Putin but not Starmer! Honestly, I really don't like him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 5181 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 (edited) His basic proposals are a moderate wealth tax and nationalising utilities, it's just basic progressive politics You're in danger of sounding like that bloke who screamed at Corbyn about nuking Russia Edited November 10 by spongebob toonpants 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27740 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 8 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: His basic proposals are a moderate wealth tax and nationalising utilities, it's just basic progressive politics You're in danger of sounding like that bloke who screamed at Corbyn about nuking Russia I do agree with a lot of his tax proposals. Labour are already nationalising or quasi nationalising some utilities if it is practical. It often isn't, and isn't always desirable. The Green party are idelogically driven, for instance their absurd anti-nuclear stance in the era of climate change. I genuinely think their immigration stance also makes them unelectable, whether you agree with it or not. The best you could hope for is the death of the Labour party and a Corbynesque failure paving the way for Farage. That's the last thing I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62983 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 Starmer is already paving the way for Farage though. And that's before any great rise of the Greens had started. Somebody has to offer an alternative and as spongebob says, give people something to believe in. Labour didn't even do that pre election, and what little hope they did seem to offer they've dismantled since they got into power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 5181 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 23 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Starmer is already paving the way for Farage This is exactly right, on our current trajectory Reform are a dead cert to win. And frankly Starmer's performance doesn't deserve anything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12325 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 2 hours ago, Renton said: Read an interesting stat yesterday regarding the housing crisis. Apparently >90% of people aged >65 years live with a partner only or alone. There are an estimated TEN MILLION spare bed rooms associated with this cohort. Aye. And then some moan like fuck when they're in need of a care home and told they'll need to flog their 5 bedroom house to fund it. "But I was saving this for my kids!" Just fuck off! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62983 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 I don't have a problem with over 65s having spare bedrooms mind. I've got 2 at the minute, 3 if you count the bedroom that's used as an office for work, and I expect I'll have similar when I'm retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28482 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 2 hours ago, Renton said: Read an interesting stat yesterday regarding the housing crisis. Apparently >90% of people aged >65 years live with a partner only or alone. There are an estimated TEN MILLION spare bed rooms associated with this cohort. What's the stat on overseas investors owning housing in London and never stepping foot in them and just using them for investing? That's more of a worry IMO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27740 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 5 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I don't have a problem with over 65s having spare bedrooms mind. I've got 2 at the minute, 3 if you count the bedroom that's used as an office for work, and I expect I'll have similar when I'm retired. Why do you need a 4 bedroom house for 2 people when you're retired. I mean obviously it's up to you, but it's an example of the demographic time bomb we have have with millions of young families and singles/couples not being able to afford any space. Not sure what the solution is but when the time comes I'm downsizing to some amazing location personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28482 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 3 hours ago, Gemmill said: I was hovering over the button to join last week or the week before. If the movement can retain momentum they do seem to have a genuine chance of doing something. I joined last week. I like this bloke and the cut of his jib. I spoke to Mothin Ali last year when I was in Gipton at a job. He was very approachable and a very humble guy. I grew up in Gipton. Its a very poor area and as most poor area's gets ignored a lot. This guy genuinely wants to make change. You can feel it in him when he speaks. I told him I was there at a job and he asked where I lived. I told him and he asked if I knew Gipton. I told him I grew up there and still had friends and family there. He was happy that I hadn't forgotten the area. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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