Ken 119 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Tooj said: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/ashes/ashes-2017-jonny-bairstow-headbutt-cameron-bancroft-night-out-perth-ben-stokes-ecb-a8076466.html Yeah, heard that earlier. Crucial part of the story is that no police were involved/required so there wouldn't be any repercussions you would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 21 minutes ago, Ken said: Bairstow is a decent batsmen and needs to bat up the order at 6 or even 5. As for Ball, how shit is he? Can barely get it up to 135 clicks, you must have somebody else that could come in for him. Too much pressure on Broad and Anderson to get wickets. Overton is next in line. Don’t know much about him. They were grooming Toby Roland Jones in the summer for the workhorse role, bit like Siddle used to be for you, but he’s crocked too. Shame as took wickets in the summer and looked a reliable line and length/metronome type. Still don’t understand why Plunkett didn’t make the squad. He’s the one bowler, who’s fit, capable of bowling at 90mph, got a decent bumper and he’s a good lower order batsman too. Bit of a head scratcher tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-5118695/Jonny-Bairstow-headbutt-evidence-drink-indiscipline.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/the-ashes/ashes-2017-australian-opener-david-warner-tells-england-not-to-headbutt-mates-20171127-gztet7.html Dirty ginge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34509 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Warner is a stumpy stump mic snitch. Classic Aussies behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 40 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Warner is a seasoned sledger preying on a mentally weak Pom who cracked under pressure. Classic Aussies behaviour. FYP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 a friendly headbutt is how they greet people up in yorkshire. move along. just heard on the radio that crane might be getting called up as a second spinner to replace ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 28 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: a friendly headbutt is how they greet people up in yorkshire. move along. just heard on the radio that crane might be getting called up as a second spinner to replace ball Don't fret we've laughed it off; https://www.cricket.com.au/video/cameron-bancroft-explains-jonny-bairstow-headbutt-classic-press-conference-australia-england-ashes/2017-11-27 Unlike Bairstow; https://www.cricket.com.au/video/jonny-bairstow-press-conference-statement-england-headbutt-claim-cameron-bancroft-ashes-perth-bar/2017-11-27 Heard Kevin Pieterson going on about putting Crane in in for Ball and play two spinners, and I've heard Vaughan saying that they should stick with the same eleven if fit. I guess it all comes back to the options availiable. They haven't played a day/night test match before have they? Pitch plays faster at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30434 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Played one day-nighter against the Windies in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 i think broad and anderson will look most threatening in the day/nighter. ball looked short of pace to me though. may as well throw overton in there as apparently he can bat a bit too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, Alex said: Played one day-nighter against the Windies in the summer Hard to predict what will happen, only that the pitch plays faster at night. A pink kookaburra with different lacquer painted on it degrades differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: i think broad and anderson will look most threatening in the day/nighter. ball looked short of pace to me though. may as well throw overton in there as apparently he can bat a bit too Ball was shit. Offered nothing, was asked to play short balls and with his pace we lapped it up. He looked the most uncomfortable when batting too, he had no idea what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30434 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ken said: Hard to predict what will happen, only that the pitch plays faster at night. A pink kookaburra with different lacquer painted on it degrades differently. The players said the same about the Duke with the pink lacquerring not lasting the same way as a normal ball. England won comfortably enough but at times they seemed to be trying too hard to exploit the conditions, once they just bowled properly they seemed to realise the ball would do enough. Hopefully, from our pov, the bowlers will have learned a little bit from that. It's pretty much a must win for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 yeah. can't see us making big scores in perth so our hopes for the series pretty much hinge on the next test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 51 minutes ago, Alex said: The players said the same about the Duke with the pink lacquerring not lasting the same way as a normal ball. England won comfortably enough but at times they seemed to be trying too hard to exploit the conditions, once they just bowled properly they seemed to realise the ball would do enough. Hopefully, from our pov, the bowlers will have learned a little bit from that. It's pretty much a must win for us. So would you stick or change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30434 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Ken said: So would you stick or change? Don't think there's much room for too many changes. Ideally they'd have Finn, Wood and Stokes who can all bowl pretty quick but none of those are available. Roland-Jones ditto. Your pace attack is better suited to your conditions anyway but not having those four makes it pretty difficult to shuffle the pack too much. The other thing is that Broad doesn't really seem to swing it any more and angles it in a bit like Defrietas used to so even for the day-nighter at Adelaide I think your bowlers have the edge. I was reading it's a pretty quick wicket too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 where's plunkett? if it's pace we're after, he's the quickest of those available. he can bat a bit too. why has his stock fallen so much with the selectors? i don't get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 3660 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I went to school with Plunkett, his stock has probably fallen because he is a massive bellend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: where's plunkett? if it's pace we're after, he's the quickest of those available. he can bat a bit too. why has his stock fallen so much with the selectors? i don't get it Pigeon-holed as a ODI player these days isn't he? Fitness and stamina must be it. Like Shaun Tate for us. Could get it to 160 clicks but couldn't do it for long. Became a specialist T20 player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30434 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: where's plunkett? if it's pace we're after, he's the quickest of those available. he can bat a bit too. why has his stock fallen so much with the selectors? i don't get it Think he's considered a white ball specialist. He's never really done it in tests even after post-Yorkshire move when he found a yard or two of pace. I suppose it probably boils down to trust, could he bowl reasonably long spells? When he went to Yorkshire I think in 4 day matches he was used succesfully bowling short spells as quick as he could. Maybe he's not good enough to earn that luxury at test level the selectors think. Also, he hardly plays for Yorkshire any more in the longer format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30434 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, strawb said: I went to school with Plunkett, his stock has probably fallen because he is a massive bellend. Which I guess Root would be aware of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Alex said: Think he's considered a white ball specialist. He's never really done it in tests even after post-Yorkshire move when he found a yard or two of pace. I suppose it probably boils down to trust, could he bowl reasonably long spells? When he went to Yorkshire I think in 4 day matches he was used succesfully bowling short spells as quick as he could. Maybe he's not good enough to earn that luxury at test level the selectors think. Also, he hardly plays for Yorkshire any more in the longer format. still think he's worth a punt, even if he only bowls in 4-5 over bursts. he's been around international cricket for ages, so it's not like throwing another rookie in, like crane. he's got the pace the attack is lacking and has got a decent yorker and bouncer. it's might be beacause of the lack of options, but i'm surprised he wasn't considered, given the conditions down under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, strawb said: I went to school with Plunkett, his stock has probably fallen because he is a massive bellend. Tell me more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30434 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 27 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: still think he's worth a punt, even if he only bowls in 4-5 over bursts. he's been around international cricket for ages, so it's not like throwing another rookie in, like crane. he's got the pace the attack is lacking and has got a decent yorker and bouncer. it's might be beacause of the lack of options, but i'm surprised he wasn't considered, given the conditions down under. I agree like but I'm guessing stamina's an issue, with his age and the lack of 4/5-day experience of late I mentioned but aye, seems better than just playing a medium fast bowler who isn't going to get anything out of the pitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 3660 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 41 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Tell me more Nothing outrageous, just generally bellendery. He did get done for drunk driving if I remember correctly, which just reinforces it imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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