Rob W 0 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Some of the other elderly mebers will remember that song beeing belted out from the Gallowagte End from the old days Used to wind up the forces of law & order big time he was sentenced to 30 years but has done 50............. and the Police would lik him to stay in forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4030 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 First time I've actually read about the case. I can see how it was so shocking in the context of the times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31102 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Rob and his oh so subtle wind-ups. I don't see why anyone shooting 3 people under these or similar circumstances should ever get out. Sentences in general are a bit of joke though iyam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14181 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Not just the old days - it got an airing outside the Eight Bells on a recent Fulham away trip too. Old habits die hard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31102 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Not just the old days - it got an airing outside the Eight Bells on a recent Fulham away trip too. Old habits die hard... Heard it at a canny few away games. Pretty cringeworthy like but then so are lots of things you see / hear at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4030 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I agree in general Alex but keeping a 78 year old inside seems a bit much. Not saying there should necessarily be an automatic release age but still. I suppose the "hope" was that he would die at sn average age for his generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31102 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I agree in general Alex but keeping a 78 year old inside seems a bit much. Not saying there should necessarily be an automatic release age but still. I suppose the "hope" was that he would die at sn average age for his generation. I get the impression it's his own fault he wasn't released years ago anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6147 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Aye, shooting 3 unarmed policemen dead does little to raise my sympathies for him, 78 or otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 17335 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Wasnt he sent to an open prison only to be sent back after he was caught dealing? Sounds a nasty bastard and should be left locked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Can't see any reason why someone convicted of something like that should ever be released regardless of how old they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13916 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Harry Potter is our friend he shoots wizards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12940 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Harry Ramsden is our friend, he fries up lovely fritters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 7200 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Perfect example of a cunt who should have swung, he should never get out. The policemen's families will be serving their sentences for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9340 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 By "swung" I'm guessing you mean he should have been hanged? Capital punishment is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 28004 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Used to enjoy singing this to the friendly neighbourhood thugs who treat football fans like shit back in the day. Wouldn't sing it now, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6147 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 By "swung" I'm guessing you mean he should have been hanged? Capital punishment is pointless. Would have saved a lot of money in this case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9340 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Would have saved a lot of money in this case Would it? Death Penalty cases cost a fortune, by all accounts. I believe it's a fallacy to suggest they're cheaper than incarceration. http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost And anyway, what kind of society puts a monetary cost on life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 7200 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Would it? Death Penalty cases cost a fortune, by all accounts. I believe it's a fallacy to suggest they're cheaper than incarceration. http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost And anyway, what kind of society puts a monetary cost on life? This piece of shit cold bloodedly (without any shred of doubt as to his guilt) killed three unarmed policemen, he gave up his right to life or any form of consideration as a human being the second he committed that crime. He should never get out, some things are beyond redemption or rehabilitation. This is one of them. And yes for something like this he should have been put down. This is the perfect example of when crime and punishment should come into play not crime and rehabilitation. Twat'll be down the pub in a few days, his victims families will be suffering yet more distress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9340 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 You don't want justice, you want revenge. Which is childish and petulant. Afghanistan Antigua and Barbuda Bahamas Bahrain Bangladesh Barbados Belarus Belize Botswana Chad China (People's Republic) Comoros Congo (Democratic Republic) Cuba Dominica Egypt Equatorial Guinea Ethiopia Gambia Guatemala Guinea Guyana India Indonesia Iran Iraq Jamaica Japan Jordan Kuwait Lebanon Lesotho Libya Malaysia Nigeria North Korea Oman Pakistan Palestinian Authority Qatar St. Kitts and Nevis St. Lucia St. Vincent and the Grenadines Saudi Arabia Singapore Somalia South Sudan Sudan Syria Taiwan Thailand Trinidad and Tobago Uganda United Arab Emirates United States Vietnam Yemen Zimbabwe This is not a good list to be included in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 28004 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 For justice, they should've seen Don Corleone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9340 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 For justice, they should've seen Don Corleone. But only if they come to him as a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 7200 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 You don't want justice, you want revenge. Which is childish and petulant. What is justice of not a form of revenge ?? Crimes should be punished, in this case the appropriate punishment IMO did not exist in law sadly, and the punishment which was available has been scandalously eroded. Childish and petulant, FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9340 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 What is justice of not a form of revenge ?? Crimes should be punished, in this case the appropriate punishment IMO did not exist in law sadly, and the punishment which was available has been scandalously eroded. Childish and petulant, FFS. His crimes were punished, in a measured considered manner, not a violent and senseless moment. Should Harry Roberts have spent the rest of his life in jail? Probably, I can't think of an argument in favour of his release. Killing him wouldn't have stopped subsequent murderers committing murder. Ask yourself, what's worse; a minutes pain then nothing, or a lifetime without freedom? Advocates of the death penalty seem to miss the point of internment, it's not a softer choice than the death penalty, it's worse. Dying is easy, existing in jail is hard. Capital punishment is not a deterrent, it doesn't reintroduce repentant criminals back into society, it isn't cheap, it is hugely fallible and it's barbaric. Any argument to the contrary will surely be irrational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31102 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I read somewhere (I had a quick google but can't verify this off the first few results at least) that in Nigeria they introduced the death penalty about 30 years ago for murder and car jacking after a spate of attacks. The murder rate went up but the carjacking didn't go down (the former because the assailants usually shot everyone in sight because they had nowt to lose). Although I do think certain offenders deserve death at best. I also don't see how the case of a bloke serving 20-odd years more than the minimum is an example of an available punishment being scandalously eroded. Not that I think Roberts should ever have gotten out. There's far more 'scandalous' examples of criminals getting out far too early I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 7200 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 His crimes were punished, in a measured considered manner, not a violent and senseless moment. Should Harry Roberts have spent the rest of his life in jail? Probably, I can't think of an argument in favour of his release. Killing him wouldn't have stopped subsequent murderers committing murder. Ask yourself, what's worse; a minutes pain then nothing, or a lifetime without freedom? Advocates of the death penalty seem to miss the point of internment, it's not a softer choice than the death penalty, it's worse. Dying is easy, existing in jail is hard. Capital punishment is not a deterrent, it doesn't reintroduce repentant criminals back into society, it isn't cheap, it is hugely fallible and it's barbaric. Any argument to the contrary will surely be irrational. I am not advocating the wholesale reintroduction of the death penalty, in Roberts' case however had it still been on the books it would have been proportionate, in my opinion, and the life sentence that was given should have meant that. He'll be down the pub on Friday the twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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